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Ben Hunte BBC article about puberty blocker ban

336 replies

risefromyourgrave · 22/12/2020 09:58

Not biased at all Hmm maybe they’re trying to appease the people upset by big meanie Amol Rajan....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55369784

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Datun · 23/12/2020 00:35

@statsgeek1

If you don't like it please tell those parents who are worried and tell those children that are distraught that you know what is best for them. Doing nothing is not a negative act.

who

Take it up with the high court. Unless you have seen the thousand pages of evidence and know better.

And while you're at it have a stab at explaining to a prepubescent minor what life without orgasm is like. Or sterility. Or being a medical patient forever.

donquixotedelamancha · 23/12/2020 00:32

Doing nothing is not a negative act.

I concur :-) watchful waiting is best.

donquixotedelamancha · 23/12/2020 00:31

Christ Hecate'scat (You must have seen the movie; you must have read the book; he's a mellow, yellow feline...thanks, now I can't get rid of that song), even I don't bother trying to discuss with the ones who can't string a sentence together and I'm terrible for being drawn in.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 23/12/2020 00:09

@statsgeek1

If you don't like it please tell those parents who are worried and tell those children that are distraught that you know what is best for them. Doing nothing is not a negative act.

who

Is it better to tell them and their kids that they're at increased risk of suicide? I can't tell you how far we've come from reasonable handling and reporting of these cases. This is seriously beyond the pale: no one should be telling young people they're at risk of suicide, all efforts should be going into calm psychological support.
statsgeek1 · 23/12/2020 00:05

Imagine the BBC went along with general anti trans bias and then one of their reporters tried a bit of balance.

statsgeek1 · 23/12/2020 00:00

If you don't like it please tell those parents who are worried and tell those children that are distraught that you know what is best for them. Doing nothing is not a negative act.

who

Needmoresleep · 22/12/2020 23:45

Ben Hunte is a serial offender. He appears to has misunderstood his brief. He is supposed to be reporting on trans issues, not promoting trans ideology.

The article is still on his Twitter.

gardenbird48 · 22/12/2020 22:06

the BBC has now removed it from the main pages and you can only access the article if you search on it as far as I can see.

I hadn't twigged previously that it was in the Education section - surely it should have been deleted in the Health section?? Why on earth would they have it in Education? Sadly the damage has now been done though ..

Tim Davie had said that anyone who breached impartiality could be sacked - obviously I don't want anyone to lose their job but Ben Hunte needs to pull his socks up and get the hang of fact-checking!

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 22/12/2020 21:24

@gardenbird48

apparently they have responded to Baroness Nicholson's communication with them by saying that they are right and they are secure in their education output or something. Hmm
They're contravening their own guidelines, not least on the reporting of suicide, so they're not right and they should really get an adult to look at this before they embarrass themselves further.
NotBadConsidering · 22/12/2020 20:33

I have nothing but derision for the surgeons who carry out these procedures and treat their patients so poorly, in the face of such evidence. It’s unethical and they should be reported to their relevant health boards.

NotBadConsidering · 22/12/2020 20:29

gardenbird48

and there was a poor person in Norway (?) that committed suicide because they realised after their vaginoplasty surgery that there was a strong and persistent smell of faeces that they would be stuck with for life. The surgeon obviously didn't ensure that their patient fully understood how the surgery was going to turn out.

Which is consistent with the summary of the article published in the American Journal of Psychiatry - the one that issued a correction - that concluded medical intervention brings no improvements to the mental health of transgender adults.

So there is data suggesting mental health of both transgender adults and children isn’t improved by medical interventions, but no evidence it is improved.

Clymene · 22/12/2020 20:20

That's a great response. I really want to cancel my licence over this. I feel sick to my stomach that I'm paying for this propaganda to be pumped out

gardenbird48 · 22/12/2020 20:20

apparently they have responded to Baroness Nicholson's communication with them by saying that they are right and they are secure in their education output or something. Hmm

Impatiens · 22/12/2020 20:15

That's a great response from TT

persistentwoman · 22/12/2020 19:59

[quote OhHolyJesus]Late to this so will read through later but sharing this now.

TT are on it.

www.transgendertrend.com/bbc-open-letter-transgender-trend/[/quote]
Was about to post this. An excellent response from Transgender Trend.

OhHolyJesus · 22/12/2020 18:57

Late to this so will read through later but sharing this now.

TT are on it.

www.transgendertrend.com/bbc-open-letter-transgender-trend/

donquixotedelamancha · 22/12/2020 18:35

5 out of 146 suicides in 2014 to 2016 were trans. I can find no evidence any of them were distressed by lack of PBs.

Sorry, re reading I've just realised that's a mis-type I thought I corrected. It was 5 out of 595 suicides in those 3 years self identified as trans. Including up to 19 YOs.

Thanks for your post donquixote

Most welcome Hecatescat.

MrFish323 · 22/12/2020 17:51

Don't be surprised at the actions of the BBC. The takeover is complete.
recruitingtimes.org/news/23597/bbc-amazed-after-secret-survey-reveals-that-417-of-its-staff-are-transgender/
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/982116/bbc-transgender-staff-survey-lesbian-gay-bisexual-lgbt-diversity-uk-news
Amazed should have been in quotes. It is all part of the plan to brainwash the British public. It is probably far worse now. All those who left the Grun after Suzanne Moore probably joined the BEEB

PlantMam · 22/12/2020 17:39

@Doyoumind

BH can't write a balanced article.

Can he perhaps explain why there weren't large numbers of suicides amongst under 16s before puberty blockers were available? It's absolutely wrong and dangerous to promote self harm and suicide as a consequence of not getting PBs when there is no reliable data to back it up.

Yes.

And while he’s at it, could he also explain how puberty is life threatening to kids who believe themselves to be transgender, but plenty of adults have survived their natal puberty without any kind of intervention at all, sometimes not transitioning until their 50s/60s or even 70s?

And perhaps he could also define ‘iatrogenic’ while he’s there?

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 22/12/2020 17:36

Thanks for your post donquixote

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 22/12/2020 17:35

People's brains turn to mush on this issue, they really do.

Doyoumind · 22/12/2020 17:24

BH can't write a balanced article.

Can he perhaps explain why there weren't large numbers of suicides amongst under 16s before puberty blockers were available? It's absolutely wrong and dangerous to promote self harm and suicide as a consequence of not getting PBs when there is no reliable data to back it up.

iguanadonna · 22/12/2020 17:04

The whole thing is so contradictory, the script constantly changes to suit the argument of the day.

Totally! It's always trying to find theory to explain practice.

Even the Tavistock was doing this. The High Court judgement points out that they give different explanations for why children are given puberty blockers.

The practice (children medicated, men allowed into women's changing rooms...) is pushed, and then there's a scrabble to find retrospective explanations for why this is necessary.

The terms used for the theory of all this have changed endlessly just in the last decade. They have to change because they're just ways of trying to justify things which aren't ok.

yourhairiswinterfire · 22/12/2020 16:26

@SophocIestheFox

So positrans, you didn’t have blockers, but as you’ve pointed out on other threads, you pass completely and nobody knows you’re trans unless you tell them. So no blockers for you, but it all worked out great in the end. However children now must absolutely be given puberty blockers because otherwise they won’t ever pass, can never be happy and likely won’t make adulthood due to the huge risk of suicide.

Something’s not quite right here...

Exactly. I guess we're all familiar with the line "you've been sharing toilets with transwomen for years now and never noticed.''

But at the same time young boys incapable of giving consent need puberty blockers to ''pass''. The whole thing is so contradictory, the script constantly changes to suit the argument of the day.

Deliriumoftheendless · 22/12/2020 16:25

Why do those who want trans people accepted without exception place so much value on passing? When, as we are often told, there’s so many women out there mistaken for men on a regular basis?

The transwomen I’ve seen don’t pass and never will, as most people round here can’t afford the surgery to alter them enough.

I mean I know Pos will say it eases the gender dysphoria (not that I’d be so transphobic as to suggest that’s a requirement of being trans) but there’s all these women NOT getting stuff to make them look more feminine. Shouldn’t we be moving to accept all women and transwomen however they look if we want a kinder society.

(Before anyone says anything, no I’m not suggesting this means women’s spaces should be made unisex, I’m on about the real phobic stuff, the violence the slurs etc)