Ben Hunte BBC article about puberty blocker ban

Teach children that gender stereotypes generally from a hierarchy with women and girls at the bottom, and why they are avidly promoted. How they manifested and exactly how to recognise them.

If someone thinks they identify with or as the opposite sex, the first question should be how. Once you get an answer to that, the rest should follow.

Someone's sex has got nothing to do with identity, and everything to do with their body. If I woke up tomorrow in the body of a man, I would be a man. My sex is a description of my reproductive potential. It's got nothing to do with my thoughts or feelings.

This idea that your sex is somehow outside of your biological anatomy is what is leading children and teens to imagine that sex is a spectrum with any number between male and female. And it's all based on thoughts.

Meanwhile almost all the adults are identifying is either male or female.

The DfE made a damn good start by saying the born in the wrong body narrative is wrong. And gender stereotypes must not be related to an identity, and everything else must be based on evidence. Actual evidence.

Thanks, Datun, for rewriting and posting.

We all have a human identity. Ie we know we are a person. Our sense of what sex we are is part of that. For most people they know what sex they are because of what their body is and that becomes part of their identity. Some people develop an early identification with the opposite sex despite the sex of their body. The sex of their body does not convince them they are that sex - their cross sex identity starts to develop before they include the sex of their body. So the sex of their body does not become integrated in their developing sense of self.

I think we do have to row back on the recent escalation of numbers of children treated with blockers. I’m not convinced how useful blockers are as puberty is both the cure (in the majority of cases) and the diagnosis (in the few who persist). Halting natal puberty delays the inevitable. (Although there maybe very occasional exceptions in complex cases).

Personally I think intensive therapy followed by cross sex hormones for the persisters is more appropriate but the debate is at what age and I suspect the range is somewhere 16-18. With waiting lists it will be more likely the older end. I saw that one pp said age 25 but not sure that is going to be a majority view of health/ psych professionals.

I also think that the more a young child socially transitions the more painful natal puberty is going to be regardless of the eventual outcome. But then we are at... Oliver wants to wear a dress and call himself Jane... do we let him? How far does that go and at what point does Oliver have to accept he is a boy and how do you know he really has? Or do you stop that behaviour and risk further problems and self hatred in adulthood?

I acknowledge this is really difficult but don’t see the practical solutions here very often. I do agree though we need to go back to viewing this as a medical condition (with compassion) and not a lifestyle choice to promote.

Apparently actor/activist David Paisley has a contact at the BBC who told him that the level of complaints about this article was higher than the positive letters so is now encouraging more letters praising it to be sent.

It shouldn’t be possible to decide which facts are true by a popularity vote surely?

Even the revised article is so badly written that it is annoying to read. I think the amazing writers on here could have done a significantly better job!!

Thank you Datun. Very clear and well articulated.

Ah, I've been informed about the part that was against the guidelines. It was my own opinion, but apparently not very civil.

So I am rephrasing what I said, because my point still stands.

in order to talk about what constitutes gender dysphoria, I said:

A young woman sought to transition, in order to eliminate every trace of her vagina. Because her father was raping her, in her vagina. She was genuinely gender dysphoric.

The reply was:

That’s someone trying to escape abuse and the trauma of abuse, not genuine gender dysphoria. That’s the point of differential diagnosis. Genuine gender dysphoria is caused by an underlying cross-sex core gender identity.

To which I responded (with amendments to remain within guidelines):

I, personally, and I'm just talking about myself, don't believe in a cross sex gender identity. Nothing anyone has ever said has convinced me, personally, otherwise.

The overwhelming impression to me is either buying wholesale into stereotypes, a rejection of toxic masculinity, a fetish, or a desire to opt out of your sex because it's giving you trauma.

Every single word that I have ever listened to, or read, quite patently backs up these reasons, to me.

The term gender dysphoria means distress at your anatomy. The woman I referred to absolutely had that. It's not reserved for some kind of internal essence - a concept that some people enjoy, but in terms of evidence, doesn't exist.

Neither does it form any part of the official diagnostic criteria.

I'm putting the last part in italics, because, to me, it's the most important bit.

Yes, that letter makes the bbc look complicit and everyone else look damningly self interested.

I have no idea why it was deleted !

Ah, it's jpegs. Cannae, sorry. Screenshot of the bit that struck me as very cogent:

Also the fact that 10 doctors had to sign anonymously, 'owing to the hostile nature of the debate'. Wow.

Wow. That is blistering. I will try and copy and paste.

"The letter of complaint by a group of doctors, in response to the unethical and inaccurate reporting by
@BBCNews
#BBC regarding Bell vs. Tavistock case."

twitter.com/lascapigliata8/status/1341533242168631301?s=20

I missed it, too. Am imagining all those itchy wee reporting fingers just dying to get busy when Datun’s name appears...

Bother, I missed it :(

I’ve read datum - so I wasn’t wondering, just 🙄

I read Datun's post before it was deleted. It was excellent, clear and to the point as always and not remotely offensive to anyone. Just in case anyone was wondering.

Sorry, posted too early.

He knew of three vulnerable gay men who were somehow convinced that changing gender would solve their problems. He was certain that the underlying problems needed to be dealt with first.

I knew of two mothers whose children had announced they were trans, and who were beside themselves dealing with an "affirmation only" system. One girl was offered PBs after only four months (and may well be on the autistic spectrum.)

Different vulnerable groups, but the same concerns. Does Ben not care about vulnerable gay men who may be being pushed this ideology when in fact transition should be the last, not the first, response to what might be more general MH problems.

The gay men campaigning for (mainly) adolescent girls to receive puberty blockers is really weird.

After a bit of tip-toeing around my gay neighbour, who at one point was very active in Stonewall and then latterly with the Terrance Higgins Trust, discovered that we had similar concerns about gender ideology.

He knew of three vu

[quote OhHolyJesus]Late to this so will read through later but sharing this now.

TT are on it.

www.transgendertrend.com/bbc-open-letter-transgender-trend/[/quote]
Great article and website, thanks.

They have completely buried the article now. You can't find it unless you have the link.

Have they told Ben.

His Twitter still says:

"Exclusive: The NHS gender identity service has kicked off its appeal against the High Court ruling on puberty blockers.

I’ve heard from doctors, parents & young people who are “terrified” for the trans children struggling to access blockers…"

I thought this paragraph from James Kirkup was very succinct:

"Dr Harrop is a GP in Liverpool. He has a record of expressing strong opinions on transgender issues via social media. What he does not have is a history of publishing peer-reviewed medical research on mental health and self-harm among trans children. Nor has he worked as a clinician at a clinic such as GIDS. Yet the BBC deems his speculation about child suicide more worthy of reporting than the views of experts such as Polly Carmichael, head of the GIDS and a world-recognised authority in the care of trans children."

They have completely buried the article now. You can't find it unless you have the link.

Such a shoddy thing to do

What I really, really do not understand is Ben, Adrian and others, seemingly happy young gay men are promoting the mutilation, and long term medicalisation, of adolescent girls.

See also David Paisley.

It's fucking sick actually isn't it

Ben Hunte shouldn't be anywhere near the BBC, his stuff is so biased - in the past he has used the 'trans people are being denied the right to exist' line in one of his BBC articles. He would be far better off at Pink News.