Ben Hunte BBC article about puberty blocker ban

So this would mean that you can only 'live as a woman' when other people are present. So it's not so much something that you do as something that other people observe you doing.

In fact, rather than something you do, it's something that other people do.

I suspect this is why so many adolescent girls desisted over lockdown - no audience to perform gender to.

And what if you aren’t ‘perceived’?

‘Living as a woman’ means being perceived to be a woman’.

So this would mean that you can only 'live as a woman' when other people are present. So it's not so much something that you do as something that other people observe you doing.

This makes it seem as though 'living as a woman' is a performance which requires an audience. What happens to the man who is 'living as a woman' when he is alone? Does he cease to exist or does he revert to being a man?

Other than pronouns, how does one do this?

A male individual compelling others to use female pronouns is not the definition of a woman. It's not 'living as a woman'.

Women are real. Seriously. We're not some ethereal, unknown entity to be utilised.

It's not Pop Idol.

Same reaction after the GRA consultation response was announced: 'but the majority of votes were in favour!'

Well, yes. But it wasn't a referendum, it was a consultation. One response raising a serious issue can still carry more weight than 10,000 identikit Stonewall templates.

None of the wokesters screeching furiously on Twitter or Reddit could get their heads round it.

Apparently actor/activist David Paisley has a contact at the BBC who told him that the level of complaints about this article was higher than the positive letters so is now encouraging more letters praising it to be sent.

Doesn't make any difference to the accuracy of the article, the standing of the experts quoted or whether they followed guidelines on reporting suicides.

It's not Pop Idol.

If you do, bear in mind some people (me!) might have submitted a comment instead of a complaint, so it's maybe worth asking about comments as well as complaints.

This is what is says on the bbc site. Like other organisations we have fewer staff working normally. To help we ask if you can instead send us a comment which will be circulated to staff tomorrow, unless it is essential to complain. We would appreciate your understanding that we may currently be unable to respond within normal service times.

It's pretty simple to submit a FOI request. Just word it carefully as response can be quite pedantic.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/

This is not a dick measuring contest, this is about the welfare of children. Absolute idiots.

I completely agree.

Oh no, the terfs sent more letters than us, lets send more to beat them.

It's appalling. Yay to sensationalising suicide! Yay to experimental treatment on kids! Yay to the BBC using discredited sources! (As long as our side wins). Do they ever stop to actually THINK?

Apparently actor/activist David Paisley has a contact at the BBC who told him that the level of complaints about this article was higher than the positive letters so is now encouraging more letters praising it to be sent.

Sums up their mentality really. They think it's a game.

People are complaining about the article because it's dangerously irresponsible to impressionable children/teenagers.

TRAS: Oh no, the terfs sent more letters than us, lets send more to beat them.

This is not a dick measuring contest, this is about the welfare of children. Absolute idiots.

what I can't understand is that the BBC has a written commitment to providing balance (I believe so, anyway) in it's founding charter.
I'm assuming that the response to complaints will be the usual bland nonsense. How can this happen? Has anyone carried complaints forward to Ofcom?

Is there a way to submit a FOI request on how many complaints the BBC has received about transgenderism bias?

Going into the men’s toilet in public is not living as a woman for example

That's why male TRA need to find another solution to their problems. To 'live as a women' means that everything 'woman' has to be inclusive of a sub section of males - women's toilets, women's sports, women's health, women's rights...

The male TRA solution to their problems to is remove sex based rights.

and as for this

Going into the men’s toilet in public is not living as a woman for example

dear god

there will be some boys who grow up like that who have absolutely no concept of their future as a man and internally envisage their future as a female

but no boy is female or ever could be. affirming a belief in something they can never have is simply cruel. WE are the grownups. People need to stop indulging themselves by lying to children and just be honest

I think for younger children it is more about stereotypes. But as they move towards puberty it becomes more about the whole person. Everyone thinks they’re an exception don’t they when they’re younger. ‘It won’t happen to me’. There will be some dysphoric boys who think.. but I really am a girl and it won’t happen to me. My voice won’t break, and I won’t grow facial hair because I’m not going to be a man. Then when those things do start happening it can be devastating. Same for some girls.

But this is magical thinking, and by puberty he should have realised that wishing something to happen doesn't actually make it happen. The adults around these children are failing them by not making it clear to the child that they can't change sex.

And what do you mean by 'more about the whole person'? What is it that is not stereotypes?

I think Datun's suggestion is a good one:
Take a minute and make a list of the ways a male 'can live as a female'. And then read back what you've written.

And post on here anything that isn't about stereotypes or about invading women's privacy (like using women's toilets).

if the potential patient was over 6ft tall and attracted to women.

Yes quite. The early ones would filter those out and label them ‘pseudo-transsexuals’ if they requested surgery. They used the ‘phallic woman’ psychoanalytic concept. That does seem to have been reinvented now as the ‘lady-d*ck’.

Datun for the transsexual it’s more about being perceived as that sex. ‘Living as a woman’ means being perceived to be a woman’. Some are more pragmatic about it than others and integrate their pasts into their present. Some don’t .

Going into the men’s toilet in public is not living as a woman for example. (Emergencies/ child care excepted).

OldCrone I think for younger children it is more about stereotypes. But as they move towards puberty it becomes more about the whole person. Everyone thinks they’re an exception don’t they when they’re younger. ‘It won’t happen to me’. There will be some dysphoric boys who think.. but I really am a girl and it won’t happen to me. My voice won’t break, and I won’t grow facial hair because I’m not going to be a man. Then when those things do start happening it can be devastating. Same for some girls.

Sorry I feel like I need to apologise for long rambling posts. I’m on a train going across the country at the moment and it’s a strange time.

I got the impression that the early gender doctors were largely enjoying ‘playing god’ - they carefully selected patients to transition based on naturally feminine looks and being homosexual - persistent cross sex identity didn’t matter to them if the potential patient was over 6ft tall and attracted to women.

Take a minute and make a list of the ways a male 'can live as a female'. And then read back what you've written.

I would love to see such a list.