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JKR's essay wins Russell prize

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TheChampagneGalop · 21/12/2020 15:21

www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55350905
"JK Rowling is almost certainly the greatest writer of English children's fiction of her generation, and a remarkable humanitarian. It turns out she writes exhilaratingly powerful prose too.

In a blog about the transgender debate, she offended many people. Offence is the price of free speech. Those offended felt she was questioning their identity and even attacking their human rights, which they argue is a form of discrimination or hate speech.

I take absolutely no view whatsoever on the issues that she raises.

I do take an issue on abuse and trolling, and Rowling has achieved the inglorious honour of topping many a league table for those. The deluge of hatred that she faced before writing this blog made it brave, and it was nothing compared to what came after. Talking about bravery, so too, by the way, was Suzanne Moore's engrossing, long, personal essay for Unherd on why she left the Guardian.

We should all applaud bravery in writers - even those with whom we disagree. And Rowling's essay contained moments of both real beauty and piercing honesty, as when she revealed that she is a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual assault.

What the judges - that is, the voices in my head - most admired about the writing was the plain English. It is an interesting fact about rhetoric that if you want people to understand something, plain, mono-syllabic words are usually your best bet: "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country".

Or think of the final line from Enoch Powell's most notorious speech: "All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal."

I'm not endorsing the argument; but the rhetorical power of that line comes from the fact that there are 16 words, the first 15 of which have one syllable, and the last of which has three.

Compare it with this line in Rowling's essay: "So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe."

The rhetorical power from those two sentences derives partly from the plainness of the English. Only "women" (twice) and "natal" contain more than one syllable.

If you're ever editing copy that seems verbose, go through it and think about cutting syllables while conveying the same meaning. Plain English has power. JK Rowling gets that.
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SunsetBeetch · 22/12/2020 07:04

Oh that's great. Bet TRAs are puce in the face.

VictoriaLucas102 · 22/12/2020 06:37

Some right tosspots on that thread ..

twitter.com/UnpackCourts/status/1341212228549226497?s=20

The irony burns.

donquixotedelamancha · 21/12/2020 23:28

A shame he had to repeatedly denounce JK's views. I doubt it will help, anyway, the mob looks very cross.

It's not for the mob. It's for his bosses. He didn't denounce her views, he declined to state an opinion on them- very different.

He can't endorse her views but he publicly held up her article as great writing and described her as brave. He said the same about Suzanne Moore immediately afterwards.

It's absolutely clear what he thinks but by doing it in a long established 'award', making it about the writing and emphasising his neutrality he makes it hard to punish him.

I think he's judged this very carefully.

Deliriumoftheendless · 21/12/2020 23:25

@VulvaPerson

This one made me smile a bit, I have to say.

twitter.com/HimmiBeib/status/1341060364478410753

Whats very noticeable to me, is how little abuse men get for saying things like this. Meanwhile, a woman saying the word woman instead of cervix haver, is literal violence and deserves endless rape and death threats..
I don't WANT men to get abuse for speaking up of course, but watching the difference in treatment is very interesting.

Similar to cervix havers for cervical cancer, yet men for prostate cancer. Woman being some unexplainable thing with no solid definition (a shifting constellation, if you will), where everyone knows what a man is. And so on.

“The hellish shoes”?

Just put some flats on, love.

merrymouse · 21/12/2020 23:23

So many men on twitter claiming that JK Rowling's essay has been 'debunked' by twitter as though the court case didn't happen.

RandomGel · 21/12/2020 23:09

I’ve noticed the TRA usual suspects - Katy M- on the cesspool hysterically calling for complaints to the BBC and Ofcom about an anti- trans manifesto or some other rubbish. KM spends an unhealthy amount of time on SM posing and tweeting.

And the witchfinder general OJ is adding to the pile on. It must be utterly galling for him to have read a mention of Suzanne Moore.
2 fine female writers lauded in one article.
It must hurt.

ArabellaScott · 21/12/2020 22:42

I like that Amol Rajan chap. Funny. A shame he had to repeatedly denounce JK's views. I doubt it will help, anyway, the mob looks very cross.

VulvaPerson · 21/12/2020 22:32

Nah you won't as the great thing is the more you misuse it the less effect it has and so when real mysogyny takes place the impact will be less thanks to the likes of you...you are harming women.

That^ said without irony is..really something to behold while he is calling JK transphobic though. But of curse, that is different. Somehow. Because, reasons.

VulvaPerson · 21/12/2020 22:30

This part Shock

twitter.com/andrew_bogg/status/1341041937328029700

JKR has riled up people to ATTACK transpeople?! By saying she supports transpeople but cares about womens rights too. And children.

Her essay caused abuse indeed. The response to her essay was more abuse than I have ever seen directed at one person, and sustained for a year also. But yeah, she definitely caused people (men? As its usually men who attac transpeople and I cannot see abusive men listening to JKR somehow, same as they don't listen to feminists but we are accused of 'making' them do horrid things Hmm ) to attack transpeople.

VulvaPerson · 21/12/2020 22:20

I also see no rape threats or insults based on appearance or anything even remotely like that from the TRAs in reply to this (a good thing, but wish it was like this for women too!). Yes, they are whinging that he put JKR on there and trying to get him to backpedal, but the differences in treatment are, again, very, very stark.

VulvaPerson · 21/12/2020 22:18

This one made me smile a bit, I have to say.

twitter.com/HimmiBeib/status/1341060364478410753

Whats very noticeable to me, is how little abuse men get for saying things like this. Meanwhile, a woman saying the word woman instead of cervix haver, is literal violence and deserves endless rape and death threats..
I don't WANT men to get abuse for speaking up of course, but watching the difference in treatment is very interesting.

Similar to cervix havers for cervical cancer, yet men for prostate cancer. Woman being some unexplainable thing with no solid definition (a shifting constellation, if you will), where everyone knows what a man is. And so on.

nauticant · 21/12/2020 22:16

an "apotheosis of pseudo intellectualism"

vs

It is an interesting fact about rhetoric that if you want people to understand something, plain, mono-syllabic words are usually your best bet

Those responding to Rajan seem determined to prove his points about what JKR wrote.

nauticant · 21/12/2020 22:11

If you wanted you could take advantage of this opportunity to condemn them for giving her this prize. That would be a pretty cool thing to do.

I imagine someone got a thrill writing that but the bigger picture is what people unaware of what's been going on will see:

Watch everything you say, anything you say might be heresy.
But you can't remain silent, silence is violence.
If you make a misstep you must grovel.
But you will never by forgiven*.

  • except if you are perceived to be "one of us" then whatever you say, no matter now actually transphobic, can be waved away.
TeenyTinyDustinHoffman · 21/12/2020 21:58

My favourite reply to this so far on Twitter is someone claiming that Rowling's essay was an "apotheosis of pseudo intellectualism".

Anyway, go JK!

VulvaPerson · 21/12/2020 21:52

I have clicked on way too late, in that at least part of the reaction is probably very much about the fact that he links the actual essay, so people will actually read her words, instead of reading their interpretations of it (which seem to be..nothig but endless bigotry!'

The after reading it, they will get a bit confused about what exactly JKR said that was so hateful and continues to be made out to be so. Which will likely in many cases, lead to reading up a lot (or, educating oneself Grin ) which never tends to go TRAs preferred way. Oh dear.

FiveFootTwoEyesOfBlue · 21/12/2020 21:43

I've always liked Amol Rajan, didn't know he was such an intellectual. Like him even more now.

VulvaPerson · 21/12/2020 21:41

"I'm not taking sides on the content, it's about the bravery." Why give it to Rowling then? Give it to a Covid denier instead, they're braver, they got much more hostility than she ever got for talking dangerous nonsense.

This reply has pissed me off a lot though. Its like they are purposely trying to lie their way into a bigger lie that everyone believes. I mean, specifically adding on the ridiculous and untrue 'they got more hostility!!!' stuff is just trolling surely, when the TRA response is so easily found/seen? No right minded perso could claim JKR did ot get abusive replies, by the thousands also! Then the posting dick pics on her childrens drawing threads..it really does seem like some TRA types live in a totally different world to me smetimes, some parallel universe.

VulvaPerson · 21/12/2020 21:34

[quote WinterIsGone]I notice that one of the other writers named, Ian Leslie, defends JKR in his tweets Smile
twitter.com/mrianleslie/status/1341088040362635266[/quote]
If you wanted you could take advantage of this opportunity to condemn them for giving her this prize. That would be a pretty cool thing to do.

What the fuck?!

Why on earth should he. Why is it always 'ahhh but if you wanted to though you could [do what I want you to instead of what you want]'?! Just seems so weird and presumptious, and arrogant to boot. Hmm

So they think it is reansble to hound other people on the list, because said people will not condemn JK because some MRAs want them to?! Bizarre behaviour really.

PotholeParadies · 21/12/2020 21:25

@MondayYogurt

Not quite so many slurs and insults as usual. I suppose it must be hard finding equivalent hate words for a man.
Look at the racism in the third screenshot. One man does something someone else doesn't like, and suddenly "Desi men don't deserve representation"

And they think they're the good guys? Can you imagine JK tweeting something like that about anyone?

As always, the selection process was watertight, in that nominations were submitted by me, to a rigorous and impartial panel of one, also me, wherein I have self-identified as convenor, founder, chair, president, and - in a new designation for 2020, approved by me - CEO.

I'm.following this guy!

SophocIestheFox · 21/12/2020 21:15

Some good articles there that I didn’t know about, as well as the cracker that I already did.

If Amol said he wasn’t endorsing the views once, he said it half a dozen times, but that simply won’t do and he must be sent off for re education and/or cancelling immediately. It’s so silly.

AnotherLass · 21/12/2020 21:12

If you were an aware person doing this, you'd know that all of the other nominees would immediately face pressure to denounce JKR, and if you were a decent sort you'd contact them and make sure they were okay with it first.

So it may not be coincidence that the other authors seem to be refusing to denounce her (so far anyway).

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 21/12/2020 21:07

Misogyny is a heady drug

littlbrowndog · 21/12/2020 21:06

I swear they get high on abusing women with impinity

They love it

yourhairiswinterfire · 21/12/2020 21:03

I'm not about to give PinkNews clicks, but I wonder if they can point to the errors in JKR's ''error strewn'' essay? She was right about the medical scandal. And rapists have IDed their way into women's places, (prison) which is why there is a Judicial Review on that coming up too. Telling that no one is willing to acknowledge that.

I bet they were delighted to have a reason to write yet another 'article' on her though (to add to the other hundreds).

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 21/12/2020 21:01

Should read 'being the good guy'