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JKR's essay wins Russell prize

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TheChampagneGalop · 21/12/2020 15:21

www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55350905
"JK Rowling is almost certainly the greatest writer of English children's fiction of her generation, and a remarkable humanitarian. It turns out she writes exhilaratingly powerful prose too.

In a blog about the transgender debate, she offended many people. Offence is the price of free speech. Those offended felt she was questioning their identity and even attacking their human rights, which they argue is a form of discrimination or hate speech.

I take absolutely no view whatsoever on the issues that she raises.

I do take an issue on abuse and trolling, and Rowling has achieved the inglorious honour of topping many a league table for those. The deluge of hatred that she faced before writing this blog made it brave, and it was nothing compared to what came after. Talking about bravery, so too, by the way, was Suzanne Moore's engrossing, long, personal essay for Unherd on why she left the Guardian.

We should all applaud bravery in writers - even those with whom we disagree. And Rowling's essay contained moments of both real beauty and piercing honesty, as when she revealed that she is a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual assault.

What the judges - that is, the voices in my head - most admired about the writing was the plain English. It is an interesting fact about rhetoric that if you want people to understand something, plain, mono-syllabic words are usually your best bet: "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country".

Or think of the final line from Enoch Powell's most notorious speech: "All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal."

I'm not endorsing the argument; but the rhetorical power of that line comes from the fact that there are 16 words, the first 15 of which have one syllable, and the last of which has three.

Compare it with this line in Rowling's essay: "So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe."

The rhetorical power from those two sentences derives partly from the plainness of the English. Only "women" (twice) and "natal" contain more than one syllable.

If you're ever editing copy that seems verbose, go through it and think about cutting syllables while conveying the same meaning. Plain English has power. JK Rowling gets that.
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ArabellaScott · 05/01/2021 19:00

What utter twaddle. Books get discounted after they've earned out their advance/costs, in the usual course of things. Although Rowling's such an unbelievable outlier that I daresay things may work very differently when it comes to her (inevitable) bestsellers. Someone is reaching so hard they're in danger of turning themselves inside-out and wearing bollocks for earrings.

Labobo · 05/01/2021 18:01

Not one person I know who is outraged by JK Rowling's essay has read it. I always suggest they do before they judge her, because it is a model of calm, compassionate, fair and rational argument. They always make excuses and change the subject.

lionheart · 05/01/2021 17:26

Backtracking.

AngryBananaSund · 05/01/2021 17:20

That’s interesting, the url used to lead to an article saying that the book was going to be withdrawn, now it only says it’s price is going to be dropped

I wonder why the change

JKR's essay wins Russell prize
JKR's essay wins Russell prize
WarOnWomen · 05/01/2021 13:51

Highly unlikely since Ickabog is number 48 on the children's best sellers list on Amazon. In fact, out of the 9 fiction books in the top 50, 8 of them are JKR's books. The rest are all study skills books.

As far as I am concerned the whole article is clickbait.

lionheart · 05/01/2021 13:27

It would be daft on so many levels.

ArabellaScott · 05/01/2021 10:59

Seems highly unlikely.

SulisMinerva · 05/01/2021 10:50

It’s also a bestseller so it would seem financially foolish to withdraw it.

NotBadConsidering · 05/01/2021 10:49

Well I bought a beautiful hardback copy of The Ickabog the other day from, of all places, an actual book shop! It’s fantastic and the drawings in it from children a just lovely.

EdgeOfACoin · 05/01/2021 10:46

Also, why would they pull out now rather than a few months ago?

I'm sceptical.

AnyOldPrion · 05/01/2021 10:44

Little-Brown published the Ickabog, so hopefully it’s false. They also stood up to some of their staff who threatened to strike over it before publication.
Seems unlikely they’d withdraw it now.

ArabellaScott · 30/12/2020 17:25

Only two comments. How odd, especially as one of them that says 'I'm behind JKR 100% of the way.' has over a thousand up-votes.

ArabellaScott · 22/12/2020 21:52

@lionheart

The twitter swamp is seething.
Standard.
AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/12/2020 21:45

MoltenLasagne
It's differentiating between women and transwomen. That's not acceptable. Nor is it acceptable to say natal women, when transwomen were born women but just had a different genital configuration. See also, claims to female and, amusingly, latest claims to being cis-women.

The people I showed it to were not I suppose the wokest of the woke, just ordinary people not looking to find offence where there is none.

lionheart · 22/12/2020 20:37

The twitter swamp is seething.

Delphinium20 · 22/12/2020 17:26

Nor is it acceptable to say natal women, when transwomen were born women but just had a different genital configuration.

No baby is born a woman. I've pushed two out of my vagina and can confidently say they were not adults.

Babies are born female (girl) or male (boy).

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/12/2020 17:20

I am not sure why people would want so much to be part of a class of person they say does not exist. That vanishes in a puff of logic if you look at it for too long.

MoltenLasagne · 22/12/2020 17:13

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I have spent a certain amount of time trying to work out how the words "So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe." are hateful or transphobic. Nobody I have offered this to without giving a source for it has been able to see any hatefulness or transphobia either. Funny, that.
It's differentiating between women and transwomen. That's not acceptable. Nor is it acceptable to say natal women, when transwomen were born women but just had a different genital configuration. See also, claims to female and, amusingly, latest claims to being cis-women.
AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 22/12/2020 17:01

I have spent a certain amount of time trying to work out how the words "So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe." are hateful or transphobic. Nobody I have offered this to without giving a source for it has been able to see any hatefulness or transphobia either. Funny, that.

ArabellaScott · 22/12/2020 15:22

@TheMarzipanDildo

Oh I always liked Amol. He’s much nicer to guests on the Jeremy vine show than Jeremy is.
Loving that username. I feel a festive fucking Tucker binge coming on.
TheMarzipanDildo · 22/12/2020 11:59

Oh I always liked Amol. He’s much nicer to guests on the Jeremy vine show than Jeremy is.

donquixotedelamancha · 22/12/2020 10:43

Once this is happening in front of the public, then the public see that many of the things being said, at best, don't make sense or cause concern

You are right but it will take a generation. I thought when Trump and Johnson irrefutably failed everyone would fall over themselves to be the first to say 'I knew they weren't really wearing clothes all along'.

Instead the hard core just dig in. Trump, his followers and his ideas still exercise huge influence over regional and federal government in the US.

donquixotedelamancha · 22/12/2020 10:37

That's been very effective when applied according to the Dentons guidance.

I agree, they would much rather operate with the public having no clue but there is a long way left to go before we reverse the tide.

I want my bloody school back- but for that we need the experts and policy makers. We can win comprehensively with the public but if they still control the establishment Left then they will keep making progress.

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