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Peter sutcliffe doc on netflix

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Suckmyfatone · 17/12/2020 01:21

If there is any starker, more blatant, documentary about the effect of violence on women as a sex, I'm yet to see it.

I was born in 77 and did not realise the half of it.

I feel sickened. I have cried. The violence. The mutilation.

The fear of women all over the UK at the time.

The vulnerability, the fear, the way prostitutes were spoken of. The othering of female women who unfortunately ended up in prostitution.

And fuck all has changed. We are still being intimidated by men.

We're still scared of going out alone in the dark. We're still told to not leave our group of friends in a club. We're still told not to dress a certain way or we may attract unwanted attention.

In fact, we've had a message from my dd's high school that on own clothes day, if girls are wearing leggings, they need to wear a top to cover their bums so they don't distract the boys (believe me, I am in discussions with the school about this)

But WE HAVEN'T FUCKING MOVED ON, since the 70's.

I despair. I really do.

Ramblings of someone who is self-isolating and has had a couple of glasses of wine. But i am so angry.

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Flaxmeadow · 17/12/2020 18:05

@missbipolar

It isn't the documentary itself Richard McCann objects to, he saw a full preview of it and said it was "really well done and done sensitively". He said he objects to the title of it, which is understandable.

I'm not sure the documentary makers would have the final say in the title. Just as newspaper article writers often don't have any say in the headlines

missbipolar · 17/12/2020 16:06

@snowpan Netflix also lied to him about the documentary to get him and others involved- on that basis I refuse to watch the documentary

Siameasy · 17/12/2020 16:01

I watched episode one. I’m into true crime and serial killers and so far they’ve left a lot out but maybe it’s still to come? Because there were several survivors.

Caramel81 · 17/12/2020 13:08

We were watching the first two episodes last night. The way the women were treated was appalling!

snowpan · 17/12/2020 13:03

I had the pleasure of meeting with Richard McCann a few years back now and I read his book.

I find him really inspiring as a person to go through the trauma of his mum being labelled as a prostitute and to live with the trauma of her being killed.

I see he finally got some kind of police apology for how the women were treated.

Doihaff2 · 17/12/2020 12:53

I watched it and it made me feel sick. I didn’t realise how awfully the women were treated

Flaxmeadow · 17/12/2020 12:49

Not sure why pp are saying nothing has changed. I remember the 1970s, I lived in WY at the time, and a heck of a lot has changed. That's not to say more doesn't need to be done.

I found the ex police officers talking about how the police at the time had just been amalgamated into a WY county force interesting. That the city police had been more experienced in serious crime but the creation of WY police might have hampered the investigation. I haven't seen that discussed before

JimmyJabs · 17/12/2020 10:19

I was struck by how little the West Yorkshire Police seem to have learned from the shitshow that was their investigation. Holbeck managed zone, anyone? It was great to see Julie Bindel, Joan Smith and Christa Ackroyd being given a decent amount of commentary time, and the names and images of the women being prioritised over those of their killer.

peppita · 17/12/2020 02:47

Just watching it.

Horrific sexism. And not much has changed.

Suckmyfatone · 17/12/2020 01:56

Final episode policeman mentions him killing 'people', then 'viciously killing people'. No he didn't kill 'people'. He murdered WOMEN.

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Suckmyfatone · 17/12/2020 01:24

And julie Bindel 💗 saying men held it over women as a tool to keep them in their place. Grrrrrrr

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