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Sky Arts ‘Portrait artist of the year’ - anyone watching?

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Toughie · 16/12/2020 20:21

‘Our sitter is one of the most celebrated comedians of our time, she has ....she is ....’
I was expecting Jennifer Saunders or Ruby Wax.
No. Eddie Izard.
‘I’m gender-fluid’... ‘I want to be in full-on girl mode from now on’ ... ‘I’ve asked to be referred to as ‘she’ and ‘her’ etc.
I’m trying to work out why it irritates me so much.
I think it might be the black high-heeled lace up boots.

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tiktok · 18/12/2020 09:48

@Tollergirl....might be worth doing a new thread on this, either in this folder or another one. Other parents might be aware of their children seeing the same video. I agree, depending on the actual content (and you're right to want to know more about it before coming down like a ton of bricks on the school) this is unlikely to be suitable for school viewing. Niche sexual paraphilias like this in PSE classes? WTF?

JellyfishandShells · 18/12/2020 09:29

I have enjoyed the series and generally agreed with the winner of each but this final was depressing. Sally and Kofi didn’t do anything like as well as they have shown they can do which makes me wonder about what the atmosphere was like on that edition - both their portraits were somehow quite lifeless. I really thought Kofi would do it. Curtis is a one trick pony with quirk over substance which was always going to appeal to the judges.

I was a bit shocked by Eddie’s barely suppressed bad tempered reaction to his portraits- most of the previous sitters have tried to find something positive to say about even the most unflattering ones of them. He clearly hated the realistic ( though still quite flattering ) versions - maybe because they were so at odds at what he thinks everyone is seeing when they look at him. Curtis’s version was ethereal and looked nothing like him so I’m not surprised it’s the one Eddie chose.

Truthlikeness · 18/12/2020 09:23

I once knew a late transitioning MtF (in their mid-60s) who said the girlishness (in their case dressing up much younger than their years and going out for the evening with a group of young women) was to make up for the girlhood they never had. At the time we just accepted it, though I would look at it very differently now.

Winesalot · 18/12/2020 09:20

Maybe it needs significant attention to keep it in the on position. ......

ArabellaScott · 18/12/2020 09:09

Best not ask, Thatis.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 18/12/2020 08:56

I don’t seem to have a ‘mode‘ switch. Where is it located?

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 18/12/2020 08:40

"Girl mode"
Being a girl isn't a convenience we can put on when we want to feel pretty.

Or maybe we should tell girls being subjected to FGM that they should just switch off their "girl mode" that day

mollscroll · 17/12/2020 17:28

I love Jarvis too. I hope he hasn't opined on this in a way that would disappoint me. I can't take much more from 2020.

Toughie · 17/12/2020 17:27

That’s a good comparison Tinsel. Great song too!
Love Jarvis.

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mollscroll · 17/12/2020 17:09

Yes tourist is right. Fuck off Eddie

TinselAngel · 17/12/2020 17:09

stop it all.

TinselAngel · 17/12/2020 17:08

I was so annoyed that he was on the final episode when I'd thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the series.

Eddie being "gender fluid but based in girl mode" reminded me of :

"'Cause everybody hates a tourist
Especially one who thinks it's all such a laugh
Yeah and the chip stains and grease
Will come out in the bath
You will never understand
How it feels to live your life
With no meaning or control
And with nowhere left to go
You are amazed that they exist
And they burn so bright
Whilst you can only wonder why"

If Eddie called his Dad he stop it all.

Tollergirl · 17/12/2020 14:49

Thanks @ArabellaScott - that's useful to know - I'm not very keen on researching it myself. Will bear all that in mind when I hear from the school.

YesMeLady · 17/12/2020 14:38

Any 58 year old that calls themselves a.girl is deluded

ArabellaScott · 17/12/2020 14:20

Toller, I won't go into detail as it's a bit outing, but I used to work in a field that meant I worked with a lot of people in the BDSM/kink community. Some lovely people, some very odd people, some damaged people.

Puppy play was seen - even within this context - as a bit weird. It is a fringe fetish among fetishists.

I don't know if that's useful, but I thought it might give a bit of context and reassure you that you are definitely not being prudish to be concerned about children/young people being introduced to this. I am far from prudish; this stuff should NOT ever be within a million miles of a school or children/young people. Just no.

I would be asking lots of questions about who exactly is bringing this material into the school, who is supporting it, and why? I would be making a very loud noise and continuing to do so until all the questions had been very clearly answered. There should not be any qualms from the school about doing so, seeing as they are so keen on fostering openness and dialogue on the subject. TBH I would probably also be making a loud noise to the press, but understandable if you don't want to do that.

RozWatching · 17/12/2020 14:19

A middle-aged male in "girl mode" sounds like that Stefonknee person. Get a grip, Izzard.

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Tollergirl · 17/12/2020 13:56

Thanks to everyone who has been supportive and interested. I have sent an email to the school but obviously timing is not great as they break up tomorrow. Still, I will follow it up next term if necessary.

Once again apologies to those who were only looking for a discussion on Portrait painting! Depending on the response from school I may start a new thread ...

Manderleyagain · 17/12/2020 13:25

I really want to hear what the school day the rationale was. I'll have to remember it's in the portrait painting thread!

ThePankhurstConnection · 17/12/2020 11:37

@Tollergirl

I'm so relieved that others are thinking the same because I have been worried about being "that parent " and DP has only just got home from work (he is now WTF +++). Neither of us are prudish and we are fairly open with DC but I am really struggling to see why this is considered appropriate teaching material for Y10.

We have now agreed that we will be contacting the school to ask a very simple "why?". Thankfully my DD is eminently sensible and is always happy to tell me what they've been doing in these lessons but this has just got me v puzzled, as well as pretty cross, actually. She also has a great sense of humour because she said "do you think if xxxx (our dog) had watched it he would have been offended by people saying they were dogs!! Grin

If anyone is interested I will keep you posted about the school's response.

Please do - I will be fascinated to hear the reasoning behind this. I wish you well in contacting them.
FedUpWithBriiiiick · 17/12/2020 11:35

Ohh my first ever deletion in 10 years! Never mind... Grin

ThePankhurstConnection · 17/12/2020 11:35

@Tollergirl

It's made me really cross and I was so looking forward to it! WTF is "girl mode"? This is just topping off a generally WTF day as my 15 yr old DD was made to watch a film about "puppy play" during RSE today at school! I asked what the teacher said the rationale for this was? I suspect it's just the wokeism that is now normalising fetishism in the guise of educating our DC.

More annoyingly this had led to me dropping several stitches in my knitting project. Hey ho, I can pick up dropped stitches because I'm like, in "girl mode". As my DD said, he's too old for that anyway he should have said "woman mode" Hmm

as my 15 yr old DD was made to watch a film about "puppy play" during RSE today at school! I asked what the teacher said the rationale for this was? I

WTF? I would be going into the school about this. There is absolutely NO reason for that to be shown to 15 year olds.

pepperaunt · 17/12/2020 11:16

So glad I wasn’t the only one bitterly disappointed that the “female comedian” turned out to be Eddy Izzard in girl
mode

carlaCox · 17/12/2020 08:35

Whenever I see this Eddie Izzard "I'm in girl mode today" thing I think:

Wow. Imagine a life where "gender" simply means whether you've got lipstick on or not. Imagine being able to wake up in the morning and declare yourself male or female, simply by your choice of outfit, and have everyone around you go along with it.

I wish Eddie would realise that his ability to do this makes him incredibly privileged in this world. 99.9% of us will never experience what this is like.

FannyCann · 17/12/2020 08:18

Oh, before you all tell me it's not on iPlayer I've just caught up - I'll get there!