Christingle becomes transphobic. Apparently.

I don't know how up to date this is but Inclusive church has a list of churches that would be very welcoming to the writer of the article www.inclusive-church.org/

Meanwhile.

Loads of mainstream religions exclude all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.

RC? Sorry no women allowed in xyz. No abortion etc etc

Although it has to be said that in the UK the RC congregation is pretty liberal because it's, at least in my area, cultural rather than a matter of belief. That may have changed since I was young. (I'm RC, mostly Irish and Italian background people in the schools church etc. It was definitely a link to roots thing rather than any affiliation whatsoever with the stuff about abortion, homosexuality, women etc).

Stricter wings of Judaism and Christianity (other than RC) are not super hot on lots of stuff and round here we have extreme sects. Like Amish type stuff.

I don't get it. At all.
I thought evangelical Christians were well known for being. Um. Less tolerant. To put it mildly.

It seems very sheltered. TBH.

If you're not keen on mainstream religions you don't engage with them in your day to day life. Well as best you can.

If you want an organised religious thing you look around and find a church/ place of worship that fits.

Everyone knows this?

Nobody bats an eyelid. Oh and the Dean of the cathedral is gay

Barchester it definitely ain’t.

Makes me cross, across the country there are liberal, welcoming churches but they aren't likely to have flashy websites I'm afraid. 1/3 of our congregation approx are gay, 2 trans and there's a family (two men) who have a child by surrogate. Nobody bats an eyelid. Oh and the Dean of the cathedral is gay too. Avoid evangelical groups and you will be fine

and now I am tingling

So much dingling and dongling at this time of year. Must go get a pringle so I can do some pringling along with jingling. Happy Festivities

I think you will find this thread is not about Erotic Chris Tingle but Chris Dingle, the Emmerdale patriarch.

Blimey Charlie!! That's not who I thought Chris Tingle was at all!! However an earlier poster mentioned Kris Kringle which is where I must be getting confused!! Think miracle on 34th Street.

So to clarify a pomander is NOT a breed of dog that's Pomeranian and NOT related to Madame de Pomedour!

And Christingle is neither a writer of Dino porn (not a phrase I thought I'd ever write) nor Santa Clause!

Right think I'm caught up.

Being brought up in a strict Baptist family didn't realise Scottish people did that sort of stuff, so my apologies to the PP!!

Funnily enough I'm atheist, prob got nothing to do with being told at 6 years old, by someone I loved dearly, that I was going to burn in hell for not believing in Jesus!

In 20 years’ time I would hope McConnell would look back on such professional output with utter embarrassment.

I'd hope that sometime before that, the Guardian will feel a sense of embarrassment that it agreed to publish such piss-poor content.

In the EA’s news archive, I found a press release about the importance of rejecting Gender Recognition Act reform, a process that was aimed at making the lives of trans adults less bureaucratic.

I clicked on the link in the article to the press release Freddy mentioned:
www.eauk.org/news-and-views/the-gender-recognition-act-2004-consultation-on-reform

From Freddy's description, I was expecting a tirade about transgenderism being an abomination or something, but apart from the bits which concerned the clash between the proposed changes and some religious beliefs, it turned out to contain very similar arguments which are seen here.

This is what they say about one of the questions.

Question 3. Do you think there should be a requirement in the future for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria?

Yes.

We are concerned at the attempt to de-medicalise this area. There is troubling but clear evidence that those presenting with gender dysphoria are more likely to experience mood disorders, anxiety disorders, autism and attempt suicide. We would be concerned that the proposed changes would make trans people less likely to seek medical attention. They would also undermine the pain experienced by those who experience gender dysphoria.

Changing the process to an administrative act, opens up the process to abuse and leaves the government collecting data on people’s gender identity and not their sex.

They seem very sympathetic to people genuinely suffering from gender dysphoria, and also aware of the potential for abuse from men with other motivations under a self-ID system.

Freddy's complaint is probably based around the fact that they view Freddy as a woman, because they don't believe people can change sex.

I suppose it can be quite shocking for an 80s/90s kid who grew up thinking they must be religious because they went to a CoE school but never looked any further into Christianity than Jesus Wants Me For a Sunbeam and Morning Has Broken and a bumper colouring book of biblical stories.

All religions have some crazy shit in them if you actually look. To take particular offence over that crazy shit because it doesn’t fit your contemporary identity seems a bit, well, ‘extra’.

Like, Freddy, you are an unmarried mother in the eyes of the church. Why did you think that would be ok for you, and not ok for single mothers who don’t have a GRC to say they are Male?

There is a fab looking church near me, it’s all ladies in fancy hats, men in gold cufflinks and gospel singing. Looks way better than the boring old CoE stuff I grew up with...

But wow, do they have some seriously old fashioned, strict and (to my raised CoE, Believe in Nowt eyes) weird beliefs!
But their stuff isn’t really that weird at all, in context, it’s just bible based.
It’s actually weirder to expect a movement based on an extremely old book to accommodate a modern lifestyle.
They must be doing something right because they are absolutely packed out every week, for multiple services (pre Covid!) whereas the nearest CoE and Catholic Churches are largely empty unless it’s Easter or Christmas.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Church_(denomination)

No, it's Chuck Tingle who writes erotic sci-fi dinosaur porn (which sounds far more interesting than a dolly mixture stuck in an orange).

Isn't Chris Tingle that Twitter person who writes parody erotic fiction with titles like "Slammed in the butt by my own butt"?

All I have to say about Christingles is I'd never heard of them until my eldest started talking about it from school once (something about red ribbons being the blood of Christ - we didn't do them at church growing up). When we all went to the Christingle service, the kids walked around an old stone church with uneven stone floors, carrying oranges with candles, with cocktail sticks stuck in with marshmallows on. DS1 is dyspraxic, I think I held my breath for his entire walk, fully expecting him to trip, get a cocktail stick in the eye and set his, or his classmates hair on fire.

In 20 years’ time I would hope McConnell would look back on such professional output with utter embarrassment. What has McConnell produced? Multiple poorly written articles and opinion pieces about identity, a propaganda documentary, and a failed court case that put McConnell’s need above a child. Is there no professional pride? This isn’t being a journalist. It’s scraping a living hoping idiotic papers like the Guardian continue to pay for such nonsense. It won’t be long before they will not be willing or able to do so and Fred will have diddly squat on a CV to show to other media publications. I just don’t know how someone who is in their mid 30s thinks it’s a sensible way to make a living. Grown the hell up, for Pete’s sake. Or for your baby’s sake.

This article is beyond disrespectful. It's a hatchet job on a group whose hospitality he has been happy to partake of - without contributing anything whatsoever to their community at any other time in the year or even having the courtesy (and let's face it, the sense) to find out what their actual beliefs were. Until, that is, he was getting paid for it. He's happy to take money to orchestrate a public shaming, that's all good. Spirit of Christmas indeed.

People judge!

(Cubs...and even though cubs was a daddy thing mummy went because with three children you can guarantee that at least one of them wasnt going to eat their sweets)

Our local church didn’t bother with a Cristingle, just a plain white candle stuck through a circular bit of card to stop the wax dripping on your hand. Very puritanical, compared to the orange and raisins church the next village over

So, instead of The People's Front of Plain White Candles, those foreigners a whole 2 miles away set up their own Orange and Raisins Front of the People?

SPLITTERS!

It's a good thread but confusing for atheists (well this one anyway).

I was trying to get to grips with how the three wise men would have got hold of jelly babies (or even sugar), because it might have been a tree present to go along with the gold, frankincense and myrrh, cause ffs what's a kid going to do on Christmas morning with those sorts of gifts?? It did dawn that Christingle is a modern creation, as probably is trans because they all wore robes at one time, so real gender equality. Rock on you bible bashers

I’m also confused about what a ‘Christingle church’ is.

As far as I’m aware, it’s a ceremony, not a denomination of Christianity.

Unless they just focus on that one ceremony, and are dormant for the rest of the year.

A bit like freddys ibterest in them 😂

*bring in