Indigo Gender Clinic Manchester

@FannyCann good for you for speaking up!

While yes, 18 is the age of adulthood, there's plenty of reasons why we strive to have unbiased professionals mentor, advise and counsel young adults in all matter of things- from financial decisions to marriage to buying a home to career...it's because some life choices at 18 can be terribly naive. Having a biased group counseling young adults on irreversible choices is problematic. We wouldn't like it if it were a predatory financial lender taking advantage of young people to go into debt and we don't encourage 17 year olds to get married or make other serious life decisions.

18 is still way too young imo, though I realise it's a tricky one because they are viewed as adults.

Not to derail the thread, but I took my (then) 18 year old to one of the open meetings about the surrogacy consultation and raised an objection to their proposal for a minimum age of 18 to be a surrogate. There was a very aggressive, entitled couole there, (who want to use a surrogate) and the man angrily retorted to me that they were adults at that age and capable of making their own decisions. I mortified my daughter by pointing to her and asking if it would be appropriate to use her, newly out of school and visibly very young. She did later comment (and I helped her fill in a reply to the consultation, saying this) that although she was technically an adult she felt that young women her age were still very vulnerable, could easily be coerced and deserved continuing protection from (older) adults.

The same applies here.

(Also to a range of other situations, eg young adults moving out of care, I think it is now recognised that they need ongoing support?)

Sorry to derail, I just give this by way of an example. It is problematic having a default age of attainment of adulthood.

Steve
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4052716-New-NHS-Gender-Clinic-recruiting

Surely this affirmative only approach isn't ok after the court judgement? Particularly with public money. I'd like to see it illegal to perform surgeries on under 18s, who after all are still children. And perhaps the same level of resistance to doing so that is applied to women asking for a hysterectomy. In any event the NHS shouldn't be funding an affirmative only clinic.

@rozwatching - do you have a link to them seeking only affirmative staff?

Some people seem to employ a lot of effort into being their "authentic self" whilst others can just wake up that morning and decide to put a dress on.

Interesting that they don't view this as exclusionary to define who they want in terms of exact characteristics to employ to best serve the interests of clients with specific needs based on those characteristics.

If female people try doing this they're under an onslaught of trying to harass them, disrupt them, force them to look aside from the specific needs of their clientele to incorporate people who want to be included whether or not they're the best choice for said clientele's needs -

Wonder why it's not ok for female groups to do this according to trans/non binary groups, but definitely ok for trans/non binary groups to do? And ok for men's groups to do?

What's the justification there?

Is this the one that was recruiting a while ago and asked for 'affirming' practitioners only?
And referrals for surgery? Russell Reid style, I suspect.

Because if you're a non binary female you need a mastectomy

Yes - I’ll need a double mastectomy on days I am wearing jeans/t-shirt and trainers and doing some DIY, but I’ll need my boobs back when I’m wearing a dress/heels and my lippy.

So 50/50 boobs on and off?

Why do non-binary people need hormones?

Because if you're a non binary female you need a mastectomy

How is someone being 'Nonbinary' a matter for the NHS?
I'm not being sarky, I really don't know.

Privately?