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Grooming gangs still at large

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SadlyMissTaken · 13/12/2020 14:18

news.sky.com/story/grooming-gangs-continuing-to-abuse-children-in-northern-england-victims-and-campaigners-warn-12158336

  • Grooming gangs are still operating
  • Police criminalising and failing victims
  • A girl complained to a teacher about her abuse and was investigated for harassing the teacher
  • As an adult she continued to complain and her own children were placed on the child protection register by social services
  • "Sky News interviewed a mother who believed her child was being groomed by a member of the same gang. She described how he allegedly gave her 14-year-old daughter alcohol and drugs and would take her on car journeys with other men. The mother, who we will call Jane, went to the police after her daughter admitted the man had asked her for naked photographs and sent her naked pictures of himself. Jane says the police did not ask to look at her daughter's phone nor did they seize the man's phone.
She added: "I made three statements in the police station and they all got lost, none of the logs got linked together, they were all allocated to different police officers."

This is so depressing, after all this time. West Yorkshire Police again.

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Flaxmeadow · 14/12/2020 15:43

Yes. Let's not move away from who these girls are.

And who targets them. In the BBC drama Three Girls, there is one scene when the girls are taken to Bradford, to be used as prostitutes at a house there. The men at the house were not gang members, they might be people who on the outside are local business owners or public sector workers. Some of the men shown in the drama did not speak English, suggesting a link with migration, both legal and illegal. These issues raised by the drama I think get forgotten. As if the only ones abusing the girls are the gangs themselves

I believe this was an attempt to show that it isn't just the gangs who are raping the girls, it's also other men from the wider community and also recent migrants

There gangs are often involved in other organised crimes. Not least a highly lucrative heroin and people trafficking trade. Money laundering by local businesses that might otherwise be seen as respectable, corruption in local govenrment and services.

This is organised crime on huge scale. The gangs are often part of wider networks of crime and corruption

Kaliorphic · 14/12/2020 15:20

Well preferably any girl as long as she's a white girl. To be a victim of their racially aggravated crimes

Yes. Let's not move away from who these girls are.

Flaxmeadow · 14/12/2020 15:14

...Any girl in these regions are potential victims to these predators

Well preferably any girl as long as she's a white girl. To be a victim of their racially aggravated crimes

TheQueef · 14/12/2020 15:09

It's stressful.

It made this poor lamb too poorly for court as well.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/guilty-mad-ash-bash-and-bono-gun-toting-grooming-family-who-owned-rotherham-1803317

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 14/12/2020 15:03

Looks as though the man Ahmed was fifteen when those offences were committed. What's been going on since?

Seems to me likely that his brother, nine years older, might have been the instigator and of course he is conveniently unfit to plead Alzheimer's, or something? Will it get better once the charges are dropped?

Flaxmeadow · 14/12/2020 15:02

Women and girls on the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder This is a better description.

Please stop using the term 'working class' to describe anyone who is vulnerable or abused, or part of a neglected underclass. The working class is not an underclass. Using the term as a catch all is just plain bloody lazy. Angry working class woman spitting feathers

Wow so even their northern working class post industrial heritage is being denied now.

Do we in the north of England have anything left we can call ourselves as a whole? Do we have to start splitting our class into sections now? Othering sections of our class?

These girls are mostly working class because they come from a working class region. West and South Yorkshire/Greater Manchester/Lancashire. The urban north.

I might add that not all the victims are working class or "underclass". Some are middle class. Any girl in these regions are potential victims to these predators

Flaxmeadow · 14/12/2020 14:29

The gangs often come from large extended family networks, with relatives working in the local council, local politics, local services and the police.

highame · 14/12/2020 14:26

Women and girls on the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder This is a better description.

Please stop using the term 'working class' to describe anyone who is vulnerable or abused, or part of a neglected underclass. The working class is not an underclass. Using the term as a catch all is just plain bloody lazy. Angry working class woman spitting feathers

DaisiesandButtercups · 14/12/2020 14:12

About 15-20 years ago, a social worker friend told me that girls in care in the city where she worked were being sexually exploited. She told me that she had all the details of the pimps, but nothing could be done because the “customers” were in high places in local politics, policing and the justice system...

A different part of the country and a long time ago. It just came to my mind, reading this thread.

Kaliorphic · 14/12/2020 13:58

The rot runs deep

Yes

Siameasy · 14/12/2020 13:51

Who is being protected here?🤔

TheQueef · 14/12/2020 13:28

Lord Ahmed deserves a mention.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-47969220

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-52282486

The rot runs deep.

GCAcademic · 13/12/2020 20:55

The police officer in Halifax has been charged, not just arrested, and has appeared in court but the trial has been delayed. But, yes, it does remain to be seen what will come of that.

ArabellaScott · 13/12/2020 20:12

This makes me feel so ill.

endofthelinefinally · 13/12/2020 20:10

A Police officer has been arrested in Halifax. It remains to be seen if anything will come of it. The link was on the deleted thread.

SunniCameHomeWithAVengeance · 13/12/2020 20:00

Women and girls on the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder have never mattered to the police. It's easy to arrest them than actually go after the problem. A nice plaster over a gaping wound. I grew up in Ireland. Lots of places had a market day. Certain people would have clothes stalls and it was known in my school which stalls to stay away from because the people running them were not safe. There wasn't any more elaboration. I don't think this is an exclusively English problem and sadly predict is a huge far reaching problem.

GCAcademic · 13/12/2020 19:44

There is certainly at least one police officer that I can think of who is facing charges of child sex abuse alongside other members of an alleged grooming gang in W Yorks.

DandyMandy · 13/12/2020 19:37

Absolutely disgusting. The police are a joke. Wouldn't surprise me if one of the many reasons they sit on their hands when it comes to issues like this is because they're raping these girls too. Considering the high percentage of policemen that are domestic abusers, it makes sense that they're also doing this too. Where is the so called "white privilege" now? These males (no matter their colour) are the ones with all the privilege. The girls are not.

SadlyMissTaken · 13/12/2020 19:31

Do you mean the police are involved? Wouldn't be surprised if individual cops were but institutional involvement? Where's the evidence? More likely there's institutional sexism, meaning these girls and women aren't seen as victims and the men aren't seen as abusers. Just like Holbeck isn't seen as exploitative and abusive.

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Angryresister · 13/12/2020 18:09

This was happening in West Yorkshire in the 90s. I reported a house where young girls were being taken and it was not raided. It would take hours for the police to follow up on girls disappearances, even when car numbers were given etc.

GCAcademic · 13/12/2020 17:59

Just to clarify (as much as is possible without getting deleted), that when I said:

I won't say why I believe the police do nothing about this as my post would no doubt get deleted.

that I didn’t mean that the police turn a blind eye because of the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In fact, I believe it suits the police to have people think that they avoid taking action out of fear of being seen as racist. I think they have other reasons for allowing these gangs to operate.

SadlyMissTaken · 13/12/2020 16:18

The Sky prog above does make clear the abusers of "Sarah" were white and Asian and Maggie Oliver thinks the class of the victims is more relevant than the ethnicity of the perps.
Having said that, this did strike me in the transcript of the File on 4 programme: downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/fileon4/PG10_Rochdales_Untold_Story.pdf
"I got picked up by the police so many times. It was
always like drunk and disorderly, assault, racial abuse. It was always when I was out with Asian men. Never once was anyone ever arrested, only me. [MUSIC] This guy - he used to
buy me stuff - and one night he tried it on. I was like, no, and he said, ‘Right, f-off, you
white slag.’ He punched me in my face. I called him a Paki bastard. When the police came,
I tried to explain, you know, he tried to have sex with me, but nothing happened.
HARTE: That night, Daisy was arrested and later convicted of a
racially aggravated public order offence. Nothing happened to the man who she says hit her."

There was also a case in Yeovil where the 16 year old grooming victim was prosecuted for hate crime for racially abusing her perpetrator (but acquitted)
www.somerset.org.uk/ipost/iPost%20Documents/Fenestra-SCR-report-FINAL-01.11.17.pdf
There is no evidence of professional practice in the identification of CSE being influenced by the ethnic origin of the perpetrators, who are both Turkish.
5.2.2 However, in November 2011, perpetrator A complained to the police that 16 year old Q was verbally racially abusing him. She was charged and at a later trial found not guilty. By this stage Q had disclosed to police her sexual relationship with perpetrator A, and a police investigation had been initiated, but following her retraction the investigation was filed as no further action. Moreover, at the time of the incident perpetrator A was in the street with 6 teenage girls, which should have been viewed as a cause for concern, given the history of allegations known to police. A victim support letter was sent to Perpetrator A, although it noted the history of 'domestic issues' between him and Q. The officer in charge noted that A had been in an underage relationship with Q. However, there was no senior officer involvement and these factors were not shared with the CPS who made the decision to charge Q.
5.2.3 The police report for this serious case review suggests that on occasion police officers were confused over what was the most important issue to deal with, with the alleged 'hate' crime overshadowing the real offending taking place around CSE. Hate crime is seen as a high priority offence that requires robust action, and the response in isolation would be correct, but not when placed in the context of the wider picture already known to the police.
5.2.4 The prosecution of victims of CSE for alleged 'hate' crimes against the very people already known to have abused them is a further abuse of the victims, and will undermine any trust they might have in authorities.

So the ethnicity of the abusers clearly was and is relevant to these persistent grooming scandals, but not the whole story

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justanotherneighinparadise · 13/12/2020 16:07

It’s certainly interesting that there’s not much publicity surrounding these cases. You could almost forgive someone for donning a tinfoil hat.

ChattyLion · 13/12/2020 16:03

This is a national scandal. And Maggie Oliver and Sammy Woodhouse are absolutely heroic. I am so sorry for this mum how appalling to be attacked and then failed so repeatedly.

If police forces are not fit for purpose, what happens then? Do we write to the MoJ?

persistentwoman · 13/12/2020 16:01

The Wikipedia page on the Rotherham cases outlines in stark detail the issues. It is unbelievable that this is still going on unabated despite all these enquiries and action:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal