FPFW: conclusive evidence that transwomen retain male patterns of offending

I wonder what percentage of male prison population are sex offenders. Can’t be anywhere near 50% can it?

It's in the FPFW report.

Data from March and April 2019 show that 17% of men in prison in England and Wales have been sentenced for a sexual offence (13234 out of a total of 78781 men in prison). However, only 3% of women in prison in England and Wales have been sentenced for a sexual offence (125 out of 3812 women in prison).

I wonder what percentage of male prison population are sex offenders. Can’t be anywhere near 50% can it?

Yep there are only 2 possible conclusions:

1. Men who say that they're women are more likely to be sex offenders than other men.

1. Sex offenders are more likely to say that they're women than other offenders.

Personally I think it's the second option, but in neither case should these people be given open access to women, and especially not to vulnerable women who can't escape.

It's that sex offenders want access to women and if saying they are women will give them that access then they will do it.

I don't think it's just about access. I think it's also about sex offenders using the law as it currently stands to manipulate, control and gain status.

And no, I’m not suggesting a high percentage of TW overall are sexual offenders. The system is being exploited as in ‘this will never happen’ apart from when it does.

Agreed. It's not that men who say they are women are more likely to be sex offenders than other men.
It's that sex offenders want access to women and if saying they are women will give them that access then they will do it.

If I’m understanding this correctly approx half are in for sexual assaults. This is far higher than male pattern offending - it would make TW far and away the most dangerous group in terms of sexual offences.

Can you imagine if half of the male prison population was there for sexual offences.

And no, I’m not suggesting a high percentage of TW overall are sexual offenders. The system is being exploited as in ‘this will never happen’ apart from when it does.

Agree with the poster who said this is Human Rights abuse - locking vulnerable women up with predatory males is not right. Somebody needs to take legal action.

I’m hoping this data has been submitted to the WESC last week. You were not allowed to submit previously released evidence so that might explain the timings.

In other news, bears shit in the wood and the pope's a catholic.

“a male saying they feel like a woman removes their ability/likelihood of committing offences by some kind of vague, magical effect that nobody can or will explain.”

This is why there’s so much insistence that nobody must ever point out that these are men. No explanation is required if we accept that lie. There’s this naive acceptance that these are women and thus the equally naive assumption that therefore they behave like women. We are in the ludicrous position of having to prove that men are not women.

I’ve said it before... people will look back on this period and wonder what kind of madness seized the world when men claimed they were women and governments were credulous enough to give them rights based on something so outrageous.

Well knock me down with a feather.

Who could ever have predicted this?

No doubt we will soon need to provide data that females are the only sex that gestate and give birth

I read this and thought “yes”, then I realised we're already there, kind of, with the whole “sex is a spectrum” bollocks that people who should know better nonetheless propagate widely.

Agree on the absurdity.

No doubt we will soon need to provide data that females are the only sex that gestate and give birth.

I would expect much of this data has never been collected because it's so blindingly obvious. We don't usually do research into the undeniable facts of life as it's unnecessary - only now do we have to prove the ridiculous assertion that a male saying they feel like a woman removes their ability/likelihood of committing offences by some kind of vague, magical effect that nobody can or will explain.

Shocking but not surprising data. And yes, the fact that we are being asked to prove what is self evidently true really betrays the depth of hatred towards women on display here. When is the prison judicial review? It's beyond contemptible that women's actual* human rights are being removed like this.

• that's "actual human rights" in the old fashioned "words have meanings sense", not "human rights" in their modern "anything any male says he wants" sense.

though I do hate the use of the term “transwomen”, for its “Rohypnol” effect. (Especially jarring as that classic piece is hosted on the FPFW site!)

I agree in general, but when presenting information that is so critical, using accurate language might make it easier for activists to smear and thus persuade others to dismiss them.

Excellent research - and using the MoJ figures as well.
Just as all the emerging sport research and the JR about GIDs demonstrates, women and children are being negatively harmed by the unthinking imposition of an ideology based on a lie.

"it seems that if a male sex offender obtains a GRC so they are legally a woman then they get housed in the women's prison"

This is where the EHRC (and others) have deliberately and repeatedly undermined our legal right to single-sex exemptions. It seems extraordinary that these men managed to get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria in the first place given what would appear to be a very sudden change to the make-up of their inner souls.

But even with a GRA the single-sex exemptions can be applied. The fact that they are not, and that vulnerable women continue to be put at risk, and their safety and dignity compromised is telling.

It is well known that most sexual and violent crime is overwhelmingly committed by men and that’s why women and girls sometimes need their own safe space away from men. Not because all men pose a danger but because saying no to all men is a simple and effective way to keep women and girls safe.

Thank you FPFW. It infuriates me when self appointed defenders of the marginalised consider themselves to be on the right side of history by upholding the right of male born people to have access to female spaces. Women in prisons are insignificant to most of society, they have no voice. That anyone in authority would consider moving male sex offenders into the female estate demonstrates that.

It's absurd that women have to prove that men are more powerful than them at sport

Yes. It is so absurd. All of it. And offensive. The idea that womanhood is merely an abstract, conceptual notion that can be shrugged on by a person of either sex, instead of a visceral material reality.

And it has only come about because of the huge, stark power differential between men and women, male people and female people. Because we are still not recognised, culturally, (whatever the law says) as full human beings, fully autonomous, with full human rights.

If we were, this whole scenario could never have come about. The infringement of our human rights would have been clear to all from the get go.

I saw a TV advert the other day raising awareness of prostate cancer:
“One man dies every 45 minutes from prostate cancer”
“Men, we are with you”
(Verbatim)

Tell me again why it’s only the word “woman” being erased?

The whole reason we've got into this situation is because we have a law which allows people to legally change their sex. It's a bad law and should be repealed.

Agreed. Since we now have same sex marriage and an equal pension age, the law is no longer required for its original purposes. It fulfils no useful functions and causes more problems than it solves.

This needs to be submitted to the Women and Equalities Committee right now. Think it was Nicola Richards who was the person who had a go at Rosa about there being no evidence to back up her assertion. Well, now we have it!

It’s a breach of women’s human rights, pure and simple, afaic.

Great work by Nic setting out the data and the arguments so clearly, even though I do hate the use of the term “transwomen”, for its “Rohypnol” effect. (Especially jarring as that classic piece is hosted on the FPFW site!)

A lot is riding on that judicial review, brought by one extremely courageous woman prisoner. Will it be acknowledged in court that women are indeed human beings with full entitlement to human rights, I wonder?

I agree Datun. It's madness.

From that report it seems that if a male sex offender obtains a GRC so they are legally a woman then they get housed in the women's prison.

The whole reason we've got into this situation is because we have a law which allows people to legally change their sex. It's a bad law and should be repealed.

This really shows the importance of collecting accurate data. It really is stark. The other thing to take into account is the number of 74 transgender prisoners means there were potentially 134 victims. 1 perpetrator has more than 1 victim.

Some of the women sex offenders may well be male GRC holders then

Although everyone knows that male pattern crime doesn't change because someone believes in gender identity, it's still frustratingly necessary to prove it, it seems.

Fair Play for Women's ongoing pursuit of factual, backed up evidence, is vital. Provable arguments is what is winning the day. And their credibility and integrity is irrefutable.

Likewise with sport. It's absurd that women have to prove that men are more powerful than them at sport (I can't believe I'm even writing it, to be honest), but that's where we are. Fair play for Women is invaluable.

No men in women's prisons. Or sport. Ffs.