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Would you ok your son wearing a dress?

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KristinaJup · 12/12/2020 18:46

Candace Owens recently tweeted (in response to Harry Styles wearing a dress on a magazine cover) "Bring Back Manly Men".. amongst other things.

Who really cares if a guy wears tutus and glittery dresses? Prince was hot af in his heels and Makeup.

Imo I would have no problem with it at all if my son wanted to put on a skirt but the tweet gained a lot of traction and I saw quite a few memes and lots of fingers pointed at feminism for "ruining men"

If we carry on this way the next thing will be....women should not be wearing trousers! What do you think?

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SimonJT · 12/12/2020 20:33

@Awarethebear

A male Muslim wearing a shalwar kameez is certainly different to a male wearing a dress, just as a Catholic priest wearing a robe is different to wearing a dress because they are worn for religious practices.
I’m not a muslim.
5zeds · 12/12/2020 20:33

Ds doesn’t wear it for religious reasons. It’s not part of our religion AT ALL.

midgebabe · 12/12/2020 20:33

It was socially acceptable among the younger members of society in the 80s

My mum would always trot out the line is it a boy or a girl. I would always roll my eyes
But boys needed to get jobs and mortgages. Why should things like that be dependent on people showing how well they comply to arbitrary social norms?

Why is it ok to have a social norm on dress but not occupation?

Awarethebear · 12/12/2020 20:31

A male Muslim wearing a shalwar kameez is certainly different to a male wearing a dress, just as a Catholic priest wearing a robe is different to wearing a dress because they are worn for religious practices.

Viviennemary · 12/12/2020 20:29

No I wouldn't like it. For dressing up play fine. Otherwise no.

SimonJT · 12/12/2020 20:27

@Paprikaka

That's not a dress though. Same as bringing up kilts when discussing skirts. Nobody is interested in the sewing steps or similarity of garment we all know that socially wearing a kilt is different than a skirt, that what the clergy and church wear or arab men gowns are different to socially what we consider is a womens or girls dress. We all know the type and im not sure what the point is with dragging that comparison .... the point remains that socially it just isnt the same. And it is socially that is the issue not that men cant physically wear garments which dont encase each leg separately. We already know they physically can.
How is it not a dress?
5zeds · 12/12/2020 20:26

We come from a culture where a “dress” is the norm (ie dishdasha) so ds has worn one in the evening/weekend for most of his teens. I’m not sure why that would be “ok” but a European dress wouldn’t?

DidoLamenting · 12/12/2020 20:26

@VerlynWebbe

I was a teenager in the 80s, young adult in the 90s. It’s nothing new. Truly mystified by all this fuss. Clothes are for expressing belonging or not belonging or arsiness or whatever a person wants.
This gets trotted out all the time. I lived through the 80s and 90s - Kurt Cobain occasionally wearing a dress and the Manic Street Preacher's bassist whose name I can't remember do not constitute it being normal for men in Western society to routinely wear a dress. Why do posters persist with this myth?
Paprikaka · 12/12/2020 20:26

That's not a dress though. Same as bringing up kilts when discussing skirts. Nobody is interested in the sewing steps or similarity of garment we all know that socially wearing a kilt is different than a skirt, that what the clergy and church wear or arab men gowns are different to socially what we consider is a womens or girls dress. We all know the type and im not sure what the point is with dragging that comparison
.... the point remains that socially it just isnt the same. And it is socially that is the issue not that men cant physically wear garments which dont encase each leg separately. We already know they physically can.

SimonJT · 12/12/2020 20:24

@Awarethebear

No I'm not embarrassed to see my daughter in trousers because that's normal attire however dresses for men are not normal. Why kid yourself? It's silly you must know that deep down.
So before it became normal for women to wear trousers (which is in living memory in the UK) would you also be embarrassed by a woman wearing trousers?

I’m wearing a shalwar kameez, its a dress, I regularly wear them, men have been wearing them since the 13th century. I’m wearing a sweat material one right now, I’ll spare you a photo of the hairy pins. How is something thats been around since the 13th century not normal?

DrDavidBanner · 12/12/2020 20:20

Well hes part hobbit (on my side) so he'd need a good shave first! But hes got the legs for it so why not.

EdwardCullensBiteOnTheSide · 12/12/2020 20:20

Harry styles is an attention seeker though so I assume that's why he wears dresses. If it makes you happy to wear a dress as a man then fine, but no ones going to take you seriously are they, really? I'd be interested in the reason a man would want to wear a dress, if he isn't trans. What would he get out of it?

user131426479642 · 12/12/2020 20:19

Yeh, men have never in recorded history worn dresses.

Other than throughout recorded history, obviously.

Would you ok your son wearing a dress?
NotExactlyMrsCurrentAffairs · 12/12/2020 20:17

My Son wears mostly 'girls clothes'. His choice. He is really confident. No one bullies him. He doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks. I think he's marvellous.
His friends at school accept him for who he is. He's 9.

DontStopThinkingAboutTomorrow · 12/12/2020 20:16

And honestly I don't give a flying fuck what anybody wears. As long as they are wearing a mask that covers their fucking nose, that is.

DontStopThinkingAboutTomorrow · 12/12/2020 20:15

@Awarethebear

So do you think more and more men should wear dresses? The world's already gone mad enough as it is.
Lol yes the world is mad indeed. We're currently in a pandemic, there are genocides and other atrocities occurring as I type, people are being murdered, raped, abused and tortured daily, I think attire is the very least of anybody worries.
cheeseismydownfall · 12/12/2020 20:15

DS(13) and I were talking about his school uniform recently. He's cross because for some reason ties are mandatory for boys but optional for girls and he was (quite rightly) calling that out. We then got on to the subject of skirts and he felt that if girls have the option yo wear a skirt, then boys should too (after all, it might well be more comfortable in summer).

I asked him if he personally would choose to wear a skirt and said absolutely, definitely not - he would have the absolute piss ripped out of him. I then asked if it would be easier for a boy to identify as a trans girl and then wear a skirt - he said yes, that would be much more acceptable.

So there we have it - it is easier for a boy to reinvent himself entirely as a girl than it is for a boy to wear an gender non conforming item of clothing Hmm

Awarethebear · 12/12/2020 20:13

So do you think more and more men should wear dresses? The world's already gone mad enough as it is.

Awarethebear · 12/12/2020 20:12

I think allowing a male child out in a dress is the equivalent of throwing them to the wolves so to speak.

DontStopThinkingAboutTomorrow · 12/12/2020 20:11

@Awarethebear

No I'm not embarrassed to see my daughter in trousers because that's normal attire however dresses for men are not normal. Why kid yourself? It's silly you must know that deep down.
Trousers for women used to be abnormal too. Until more and more women wore them and they became normal. Things become normal by people doing them.
helpfulperson · 12/12/2020 20:10

Some of these responses feel like we are moving backwards and losing everything that slack wearing women in the 70s fought for. And the 80s where men wore frills and make up and even skirts.

user131426479642 · 12/12/2020 20:10

I would be embarrassed to see my son in a dress it would be a natural reaction.

I don't think you understand what the word natural means.

DontStopThinkingAboutTomorrow · 12/12/2020 20:10

My son can wear what he wants.
Unfortunately, in this world we live in, I would try to dissuade him from leaving the house in a dress for his own safety; but not for any other reason. There are a lot of arseholes out there who would think it a sport to harass and attack a male wearing a skirt.

Awarethebear · 12/12/2020 20:09

No I'm not embarrassed to see my daughter in trousers because that's normal attire however dresses for men are not normal. Why kid yourself? It's silly you must know that deep down.

TeenyTinyDustinHoffman · 12/12/2020 20:09

But what's embarrassing about it?
I'd be embarrassed if my children were rude or bullying or disrespectful or something like that because they're poor traits in a person and I wouldn't want people thinking I'd brought them up like that.
But I don't see how a male child wearing a dress is equivalent to that.