Would you ok your son wearing a dress?

O so it was a wedding or a funeral you attended now haha your wholes just getting deeper.

It wouldn't bother me at all.

Why would someones skin colour have an impact on what they wear?

Are you seriously saying you have never come across any discussion ever as to whether it is acceptable for white women to wear saris, shalwar kameez, cheongsam or corn rows?

[quote Awarethebear]@simonjt when I first asked where you see these Christians in shalwar kameez you said you saw them out and about, next minute they are people you know personally. Also you claim to have gone to church with these people yet you also claim to be an atheist. Like I said I'm calling bullshit on what you are saying.[/quote]
Athiests don’t actually burst into flames when they go onto a religious building. If someone was a christian would you only expect christians to attend that persons wedding/funeral?

Are people I know personally not allowed outside?

It may not be mainstream for boys to wear not-trousers where some of you come from, but my father and son wore/wear kilts, my partner's father wore a longyi and where we live lavalava are both formal and daily wear for many boys. Allowing boys to wear the clothes that reflect their culture and not that of a Victorian colonising empire is important. Just as it was important to allow girls to wear clothes that permit freedom of movement and comfort.
They are just clothes for heaven's sakes!

@simonjt when I first asked where you see these Christians in shalwar kameez you said you saw them out and about, next minute they are people you know personally. Also you claim to have gone to church with these people yet you also claim to be an atheist. Like I said I'm calling bullshit on what you are saying.

Dido, sorry to tell you, but mothers don't need to support fetishistic behaviours in their older teenage sons. Not every choice our sons make need to be celebrated. Mothers are allowed to have their own value systems.

In my personal experience, and that of friends, there's a distinct difference between boys who dress for fashion/to push back, and boys who are sneaking women's underwear into their drawers.

I don't personally ban anything, so not sure what your police hyperbole is all about.

That's bullshit @simonjt those people would have converted to Islam. I'll say it again Christians do not wear them.

Why do you need to have further distinction ?

[quote Awarethebear]@simonjt what's your religion? Where have you seen these Christians wearing them. 😂[/quote]
I’m an athiest. Weirdly enough out and about, where you see other people.

I’m not a muslim, I regularly wear them. I have seen plenty christians wearing them

How do you know they were Christians? I assume you made a judgement from skin colour? I'm a bit uncomfortable at white people of either sex wearing them- it's very close to cultural appropriation.

No but how many were? It's just nonsense to pretend this is mainstream. And tbh plenty of male goths wore make-up- not so sure about dresses

I knew loads of goths in the 80s, none of the men wore dresses, it rarely got beyond black nail polish and smudged eye liner. I was very GNC, but never wore a dress in public and even so I got loads of shit for it up to and including violence, both physical and sexual. And no-one would ive you a job, even long hair on men was still a big deal in a lot of places. It's a complete fantasy that everyone was really gender non-conforming in the 80s. There were a couple of subcultures, like goth and glam rock, both very heterosexual incidentally, but they were very far from the mainstream and came with significant social cost.

And funnily enough I know quite a few trans women who were hiding in goth/glam/new romantic 80s subcultures but didn't feel safe enough to come out until the late 90s.

@simonjt what's your religion? Where have you seen these Christians wearing them. 😂

Geese it’s no wonder kids are getting so confused about their identities 😕

Absolutely not ok!!!!!!

My son is 7 and he wears what he wants... usually something bright pink, glitzy or rainbow and including dresses. We let him be who he wants and even though he's well aware of the discrimination he faces he's so strong and I'm so proud of him for standing up for what he wants. I hope he opens some minds along the way

Christians do not wear shalwar kameez lol. Yes I do see them as Muslims especially when they are Muslims on their way to mosque to pray to Allah.

Definitely no mainstream, for the few going against the grain. When makeup became accepted then where is the shock factor?
This Harry bloke isn't doing anything profound but he is bringing a new perspective to the masses and could do a lot of good in the long run.

Harry Styles is an attention seeker. There's absoulutely nothing wrong with that but this idea he is at the forefront of breaking down gender norms in clothing is ridiculous. Styles is never going to be wearing his frocks and furbelows anywhere where he hasn't got a security presence and an entourage telling him how marvellous he is.

If it did become mainstream he'd drop it in an instant and start wearing nylon shell suits to be different.