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Would you ok your son wearing a dress?

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KristinaJup · 12/12/2020 18:46

Candace Owens recently tweeted (in response to Harry Styles wearing a dress on a magazine cover) "Bring Back Manly Men".. amongst other things.

Who really cares if a guy wears tutus and glittery dresses? Prince was hot af in his heels and Makeup.

Imo I would have no problem with it at all if my son wanted to put on a skirt but the tweet gained a lot of traction and I saw quite a few memes and lots of fingers pointed at feminism for "ruining men"

If we carry on this way the next thing will be....women should not be wearing trousers! What do you think?

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ChestnutStuffing · 17/12/2020 02:27

@merrymouse

“Skirts and dresses are generally designed to show off the curves of a woman's body aren't they?”

No.

Those are cassocks, though, neither skirts nor dresses.

I think you could argue a kilt or sarong is a type of skirt, but I don't think a cassock is really a dress. It's not made the same way.

Crystalclair · 17/12/2020 01:06

Well said TableFlowers!

FourPlatinumRings · 16/12/2020 23:33

red flag 😂

FourPlatinumRings · 16/12/2020 23:32

If the kid doesn’t get bullied and all the responses are positive, happy days but why on earth any parent would insist on putting a child in such a position is beyond me.

These days, boys in dresses are unlikely to get bullied at school, if your school is anywhere near half decent anyway. My state comprehensive growing up was in special measures and still no one would have bullied a guy in a dress. I genuinely think in this day and age it's not the red fish to a bull a lot of posters seem to think it is. Ultimately, you can be picked on for anything- the only way you can guarantee a kid won't be is not to send them to school at all.

TableFlowerss · 16/12/2020 23:10

slippers 😂

TableFlowerss · 16/12/2020 23:10

I’m sure but some pjs are had time distinguish between bed wear and day wear. I still put my boy in tops that I can’t say for certain aren’t pjs- superhero type ones. So no one else would know the difference either...

I’m talking about stripey, no mistaken are they aren’t they pjs with dressing gown and skippers....

Griefmonster · 16/12/2020 22:54

Indeed - Why not PJs? My DC went to school Christmas party in (clean) polar bear pyjamas. I have no fucks to give about what clothes people choose to wear (although I draw the line at wearing clothes. I accept that is a pretty universal agreed minimum standard!)

You do you, save your energy and outrage for something more meaningful.

TableFlowerss · 16/12/2020 22:20

@midgebabe

So my mother should not have sent me to school because I was being bullied ? Bizarre
Kids have a hard enough time at school. Most kids will get teased for one thing or another, the majority of which the the patent can’t control such as hair colour, height, eight, size of teeth and the list goes on....

There’s certain things that are in the control of the parent. To allow them to wear something that isn’t standard to prove a point --and jump on the bandwagon-- is just is pointless.

If the kid doesn’t get bullied and all the responses are positive, happy days but why on earth any parent would insist on putting a child in such a position is beyond me.

If you’re that bothered just send them in in their pjs?! End of the day clothing is clothing is clothing, right? If you insist it shouldn’t matter what they wear then why not PJ’s....

merrymouse · 16/12/2020 22:19

Society doesn't cater for boys wearing dresses.

The great thing about mumsnet is that it allows you to talk to people from all over the world and also parallel universes.

WouldBeGood · 16/12/2020 21:55

Clothes do not design sex

Londonsuffolkmummy · 16/12/2020 21:52

No he won’t be wearing dresses he’s a boy

midgebabe · 16/12/2020 21:49

So my mother should not have sent me to school because I was being bullied ? Bizarre

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 16/12/2020 21:17

@Crystalclair

The type of woman that allows her son to wear a dress is more likely than not, pushing their agenda on their poor children - feeding them to a pack of wolves all in the name of 'equality'.

I never remember my brothers, male friends or family ever asking or wanting to wear a dress!

Face it, it's you the parents, not your son wanting this.

Brainwashing at it's best.

Ummm... nope. My mum is very firmly in the "girls should wear pretty pink frilly things" school of thought. She even told me I "couldn't" buy a pack of rainbow coloured babygrows including one with VW campers on when SIL was pregnant because "what if the baby is a girl?" Hmm

Yet my brother spent a large portion of his childhood wearing my dresses. We regularly used to wear eachothers night clothes, so I'd wear his pjs and he would wear my nightie. He's now a male chauvinist manly man who wouldn't be seen dead in a skirt, except when he dressed up as a woman and was quite derogatory towards them.

My own DS2 used to wear my pretty tops as dresses around the house.

Requinblanc · 16/12/2020 21:10

Indeed.

Not to mention the fact that throughout history men have worn items of clothing that were shaped like skirts (the Romans. the Greeks...) and in some cultures/countries (Middle East, Africa) men wear long robes, so this notion that trousers are the default option for manliness is pretty idiotic.

I always thought Nirvana's Kurt Cobain looked great when he wore a dress too...

TableFlowerss · 16/12/2020 20:49

@KarenMarlow3

Today's society normally accepts that boys wear boys' clothing and girls wear girls' clothing, which includes trousers, jeans, leggings and jeggings. Society doesn't cater for boys wearing dresses. Adults who are pandering to their sons' wishes to wear a dress outdoors are 1) setting the child up for hostile stares and comments, 2) jumping on the current nonsensical bandwagon and 3) loading their sons with their own perceived politically correct agenda.
Perfectly summed up post
TableFlowerss · 16/12/2020 20:48

highly likely

TableFlowerss · 16/12/2020 20:47

@midgebabe

As Michelle y nicely earlier

The idea of stopping your child from acting in a way they chose simply because other people might act badly as a result is a pretty crap way to bring up your child.

And to send your DC into school knowing it’s nightly lined they are going to get ridiculed/humiliated and the like.... isn’t a better way to parent..... all that just to prove a point! The poor child
merrymouse · 16/12/2020 18:31

If you want to know why a boy (or girl) might want to wear something vibrant and sparkly, in the words of Tim Rice:

“I look handsome, I look smart
I am walking work of art
Such a dazzling coat of colours
How I love my coat of many colours

It was red and yellow and green and brown
And scarlet and black and ochre and peach
And ruby and olive and violet and fawn
And lilac and gold and chocolate and mauve
And cream and crimson and silver and rose
And azure and lemon and russet and grey
And purple and white and pink and orange
And red and yellow and green and brown and
Scarlet and black and ochre and peach
And ruby and olive and violet and fawn
And lilac and gold and chocolate and mauve
And cream and crimson and silver and rose
And azure and lemon and russet and grey
And purple and white and pink and orange”

Would you ok your son wearing a dress?
merrymouse · 16/12/2020 18:21

“Skirts and dresses are generally designed to show off the curves of a woman's body aren't they?”

No.

Would you ok your son wearing a dress?
Gurufloof · 16/12/2020 17:50

I would consider my parenting a success if my (adult) son was to wear a dress outside or inside his home. Other peoples opinion of what he wears is nothing to do with him. He would have to be secure in himself to do this, therefore I brought him up to feel secure in this world. I mean it's possible that other men would say something but he has a dry wit and for the most part could talk himself out of trouble. That trouble would happen is not a given. Fionne Orlander manages just fine.

ChestnutStuffing · 16/12/2020 17:42

@FourPlatinumRings

Usually, when people do bend and subvert thm, it's not because they have some burning desire to dress that way, or even any more because there is some really unfair disadvantageous expectation.

I remember a thread a while back about a school where, in an attempt to engender equality, they had banned skirts altogether. No non-trouser uniform option. Lots of posters were up in arms about it because skirts are much more comfortable in summer, because some girls hate the way they look in trousers, because they shouldn't have rights removed from them to make things fair etc.

There are lots of reasons people want to wear skirts and dresses. They're very comfortable and practical garments.

There are many comfortable clothes in the world, but generally speaking that is not why people choose to wear things that are counter-cultural. If people just want comfort most of the time there are plenty of options. In fact quite often counter-cultural things are less comfortable.

I remember the thread about the skirts, and I think that was a fairly silly argument WRT them. Uniforms by nature limit choices and no one has a "right" to be allowed to wear a skirt in a uniform. It was, however, also silly to eliminate them in the name of equality.

nosswith · 16/12/2020 17:15

If someone was trying to copy Harry Styles, I would be concerned whatever they were wearing.

WouldBeGood · 16/12/2020 16:44

I would think for older boys it’s a style/fashion thing and going with a tribe, just like the New Romantics back in the day

drspouse · 16/12/2020 15:29

I don't really get why older boys would want to wear skirts?
My two are younger, but they liked skirts for dancing in, because of the way they feel. I can imagine a male dancer wanting to coordinate their moves with their clothing.
My granny used to say that just as some women looked really, er, odd in trousers (her opinion) some men would also be flattered by skirts.
As well as the above re skirts being cooler in summer.

FourPlatinumRings · 16/12/2020 15:24

Usually, when people do bend and subvert thm, it's not because they have some burning desire to dress that way, or even any more because there is some really unfair disadvantageous expectation.

I remember a thread a while back about a school where, in an attempt to engender equality, they had banned skirts altogether. No non-trouser uniform option. Lots of posters were up in arms about it because skirts are much more comfortable in summer, because some girls hate the way they look in trousers, because they shouldn't have rights removed from them to make things fair etc.

There are lots of reasons people want to wear skirts and dresses. They're very comfortable and practical garments.