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Would you ok your son wearing a dress?

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KristinaJup · 12/12/2020 18:46

Candace Owens recently tweeted (in response to Harry Styles wearing a dress on a magazine cover) "Bring Back Manly Men".. amongst other things.

Who really cares if a guy wears tutus and glittery dresses? Prince was hot af in his heels and Makeup.

Imo I would have no problem with it at all if my son wanted to put on a skirt but the tweet gained a lot of traction and I saw quite a few memes and lots of fingers pointed at feminism for "ruining men"

If we carry on this way the next thing will be....women should not be wearing trousers! What do you think?

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IAmADNAMA · 12/12/2020 23:04

My son can wear whatever makes him happy.
Of course he has to wear school uniform but doesn't have to be a boys uniform.

I just want him to feel happy and accepted. He will never be judged by me. This world is a crazy place and I like to think he could come to me about anything and I'd be his safe space.

Honestly, he will be whoever he wants to be and my love for him wouldn't change.

DontStopThinkingAboutTomorrow · 12/12/2020 23:03

*Most of these responses are really depressing. Everyone who thinks their son would get bullied, have you discussed with him that people should be able to wear what they like without ridicule or judgement? Ask him what would happen if his mate turned up in a dress & what he &!others would say?

Be part of the change if you acknowledge that society is the problem*

I can try my best to make sure my own kids aren't bullies and accept others however they dress etc etc. There is fuck all I can do about other peoples shitty attitudes though.

DidoLamenting · 12/12/2020 22:59

@midgebabe

I mean, my parents could have told me not to do my maths homework, just to focus on English like a good girl. Because it would have reduced bullying,. But it would have been wrong, it would have stopped me being me, it would be giving in to bad people who live in a stereotype world
When was this? I was and am as girly as you'd get. I was in the top group throughout Secondary school for maths (and English) and had extra tuition for Higher Maths because that was the stage I started to struggle with the subject. No- one, absolutely no- one, ever suggested I shouldn't persevere with Maths. Certainly neither me or any of the girls in the top set were discouraged or bullied for doing Maths. This was early to mid 70s.
Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 12/12/2020 22:58

@Griefmonster

PPs who say they would worry for their children - the question is would you allow...Not would you make your son wear a dress... Genuinely surprised at the amount of control you have over what your over 3 year olds wear.
Really? You never have to insist your children (if you have any) wear school uniform, or appropriate clothes for a wedding, party, activity that requires a certain type of clothing?

My boys would go everywhere in joggers, goodies and worn out trainers if I let them. They certainly wouldn't wear their school uniform.

5zeds · 12/12/2020 22:57

I’m laughing at the absolute belief that ALL men who wear thobe, dish dasha, shalwar, sarong are Muslim (here in the UK obviously) Grin as though it was some religious symbol. The rational??? I’ve seen them at mosque so must be true! GrinGrinGrin. Is non-western dress just shorthand for Muslim???

midgebabe · 12/12/2020 22:56

It may not now, but it certainly did when I was a child

Although even today look at how few girls do physics ( in England anyway) that's clearly social . You get many more Scottish girls doing physics

Or do your believe that a woman's brain just isn't made that way? It social or nature.not sure there is another option really

DidoLamenting · 12/12/2020 22:53

Does being good at maths break a societal accepted basic 'norm'?

No it doesn't.

AGnu · 12/12/2020 22:53

I don't like dresses at all & have only ever bought 1 for my DD when she was a baby & we had to go to a v hot summer wedding. I avoid buying dresses for any of my DC!

My DS's favourite colour has been pink since he was old enough to express an opinion. I suspect partly because he knows I don't like pink & he likes to tease me. I genuinely don't care & have bought him pink clothes from the "girls'" section. Mostly PJs though because I'm v conscious that he has ASD & can be quite vulnerable & I don't want to make him an easy target for bullies. He can wear what he wants in the house though. He's probably owned more pink things than DD!

madcatladyforever · 12/12/2020 22:50

I grew up in the 80's when men wore frilly shirts and makeup so I don't think I'd be that bothered.

ZenNudist · 12/12/2020 22:49

I'd be ok with it. But draw the line at a hot pink spandex number. More like the harry styles look or the 90s grunge dress and big boots c.f. Kurt Cobain. Some people can pull this shit off.

gettingfedupagain · 12/12/2020 22:45

My son has a dress, he wanted one, I bought if for him.

LeglessGiraffe · 12/12/2020 22:44

@Savourysenorita you asked if I was concerned that my son would be a target for ridicule. Yes of course, because I care deeply about my son's wellbeing. I balanced up the pros and cons of letting him wear something that made him happy. On that particular occasion we were going to soft play where I would be with him the whole time and if he got any comments I could defend and reassure him. As it was, no other children batted an eyelid and he had a great time.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 12/12/2020 22:42

@buckeejit

Most of these responses are really depressing. Everyone who thinks their son would get bullied, have you discussed with him that people should be able to wear what they like without ridicule or judgement? Ask him what would happen if his mate turned up in a dress & what he &!others would say?

Be part of the change if you acknowledge that society is the problem.

🙄 yeah I could discuss that till the cows come home, won't make a difference to other peoples attitudes. I certainly don't want my 12 year old having the shit kicked out of him just to prove a point.
FourPlatinumRings · 12/12/2020 22:42

@CatsCantCatchCriminals2

If you don't wish to use it, that is of course your choice.

Cheers.

👍 Glad that's settled.
CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 12/12/2020 22:41

If you don't wish to use it, that is of course your choice.

Cheers.

mopphead · 12/12/2020 22:40

I agree with the people who say that it depends on the age of your child and what they are like as people. I wouldn't buy dresses for my son who was too small to have genuine clothes preferences. I would discourage (not ban) them for a primary aged child who doesn't read peer responses well and is likely to get bullied. Confident child who can fend for themselves, sure. And child old enough to make own decisions also fine.

In the house wear whatever you like. I do agree that the better world would be one where you can wear a dress and be a boy, without having to have big existential questions about the why of it.

Dresses are very socially gendered clothes, even women have existential questions about them. So many women will say "I'm not at all girly, I never wear dresses". I think I never wore them as didn't see myself as the sort of person who worse dresses (subconsciously, I have no conscious judgement of people who do!) Then when I was pregnant and they were the only thing to fit I realised they are just clothes and make no difference. Love to wear dresses now. This is a long winded way of saying that dresses are socially entrenched as not just female, but female in particular ways. This attitude holds us all back from wearing the comfortable, versitile garment we all deserve.

FourPlatinumRings · 12/12/2020 22:38

@CatsCantCatchCriminals2

Yes, I don't like the term myself. Actual ginger is pale brown so it's annoyingly inaccurate too.
I like it. It's what was used to torment me and my peers so I choose to reclaim it. If you don't wish to use it, that is of course your choice.

We had ginger people hung from railings by their underwear in my school, it was an actual issue. The worst I got was name calling and lewd comments, but that was more than enough to cause me considerable upset as a socially anxious teenager.

Anyway, enough of this derail. Suffice it to say, I don't think boys who choose to wear dresses will be automatically bullied in this day and age.

midgebabe · 12/12/2020 22:38

Appols , four rings, I lose track, and this is a bit weird

Yip, children will bully others, and it's hard to predict the excuse.

CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 12/12/2020 22:37

Candy

"Stealth-ginger"

Priceless 😂

CandyLeBonBon · 12/12/2020 22:35

I was bullied got being ginger. Tried dying my hair. Sadly any other colour than ginger makes me look like a corpse. So I'm stuck with it. Even at 51, I'm still bright ginger. Thankfully, being 51, and a woman. I'm now invisible so I am merely a stealth ginger.

I realise this adds nothing to the debate, but I thought I'd offer my ginger thoughts anyway!

CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 12/12/2020 22:33

I could do without all this religion stuff. Isn't there a place on this site where they could take that?

The religion board or summat?

yourhairiswinterfire · 12/12/2020 22:33

Well it's obvious where all these apparent bullies get their attitudes about the clothing choice of others from...

FourPlatinumRings · 12/12/2020 22:32

@midgebabe

Gosh, loads of my family are ginger and never dyed their hair!

Except my aged aunt, who dyes it ginger again these days

I was speaking about the gingers in my secondary school, pointing out that these days kids are more progressive and find non-protected characteristics to bully people for, so I disagree with the notion that a boy in a dress would automatically be bullied.... Just read my original post upthread.
midgebabe · 12/12/2020 22:32

Lot of red in a ginger, and my family are more blond ginger than brown

Whereas the ginger root is pale brown

CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 12/12/2020 22:30

Yes, I don't like the term myself. Actual ginger is pale brown so it's annoyingly inaccurate too.