Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

Original poster

Tavistock puberty blocker study published

393 replies

PaleBlueMoonlight · 11/12/2020 20:56

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55282113

Finds 43/44 (98%) progress from PBS to cross sex hormones

OP posts:
Thread gallery
21
Signalbox · 11/12/2020 21:20

Interesting timing!

gardenbird48 · 11/12/2020 21:17

omg - this is crazy.

I haven't had a chance to read it fully yet but this link is slightly buried in the article - an interesting snapshot of the internal goings on in 2015.

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/documents/142/board-papers-2015-06.pdf

ChattyLion · 11/12/2020 21:16

This needs to get out as widely as possible in the public domain. I hope Newsnight will have a big piece on this tonight. Shocking that the Tavi have sat on this for so long.

Tavistock puberty blocker study published after nine years

Winesalot · 11/12/2020 21:16

So no surprises then. It does seem to be as expected and not necessarily providing great results for puberty blocker use.

Still, good to have it finally published and I look forward to reading it.

Original poster
PaleBlueMoonlight · 11/12/2020 21:16

Thanks OldCrone

OP posts:
nauticant · 11/12/2020 21:16

The article is written by the Newsnight team, I notice.

Yes: twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1337504879959568392

Having looked at a recent burst of ideological cheerleading coming out of the BBC, it starts to look there's some kind of internal conflict over the trans issue with a part of the BBC setting itself up as an investigative skunkworks.

SophocIestheFox · 11/12/2020 21:15

The published study showed that treatment with the blocker brought about no change in psychological function

And there it is.

everythingthelighttouches · 11/12/2020 21:15

So the study concluded in 2014/15?

Have they suppressed the findings the whole time? This was a registered clinical trial? What is their reason for the delay?

AND
They refused to give the data to the judge?

The lead author should lose his position for this.

OldCrone · 11/12/2020 21:14

The paper is here:
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.01.20241653v1.full.pdf

Eligibility criteria were ... that the young person:
...
3. fulfils the following criteria relating to GID: a)Throughout childhood (defined as over 5 years) the adolescent has demonstrated an intense pattern of cross-gendered behaviours and cross-gender identity.

But they always say it's nothing to do with stereotypes. What are 'cross-gendered behaviours' other than not conforming to stereotypes?

Why should not conforming to stereotypes have anything to do with making a physically healthy person into a lifelong medical patient?

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/12/2020 21:12

There we have it then. When children sign up for puberty blockers, it's a guarantee that cross sex hormones will follow, along with infertility and the loss of sexual function. No child can consent to that.

I hope the next appeal is rejected.

nauticant · 11/12/2020 21:09

Note: "By Hannah Barnes and Deborah Cohen", not a Ben Hunte in sight. If Ben Hunte cannot be relied on to provide objective and relevant coverage in his specific area when it's required, then what's the point of his role in the BBC beyond ideologically compliant cheerleading?

TartrazineCustard · 11/12/2020 21:06

@PaleBlueMoonlight

No control.

That's what jumped out at me, too.

WinterIsGone · 11/12/2020 21:05

The article is written by the Newsnight team, I notice.

Original poster
PaleBlueMoonlight · 11/12/2020 21:04

No control.

OP posts:
BlackWaveComing · 11/12/2020 21:03

How can they argue that blockers and cross sex hormones aren't linked?! When out of every hundred children put on blockers, 90+ will go on to hormones?!

Flywheel · 11/12/2020 21:03

Also no improvement in psychological function and reduced growth.
How can recommend this?

Mollyollydolly · 11/12/2020 21:00

98% no wonder they weren't bothered about presenting it in court.

OhHolyJesus · 11/12/2020 20:59

I've very disturbed by the timing of this being released, with the court of appeal decision pending...