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Law Commission Reviewing Hate Crime Law - Sex or Gender?

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gardenbird48 · 11/12/2020 12:40

hi all, I could have sworn that there was a thread on this already with lots of useful points but can't find it atm - either my search skills or deleted?

Anyway, the Law Commission are consulting on this (I'm so sure there is a thread - can anyone point me to it please) and are considering putting Gender in place of Sex. Apparently they note that the public want Sex not Gender and that it has been strongly argued that violence against women and girls is strongly connected to the biology (no shit) BUT.....

the provisional view is that Gender is the 'more inclusive term'. They also note elsewhere that transwomen face unique transphobic discrimination. If that is the case, why can't women face unique misogynistic discrimination?

I remember one of the points on the old thread being that transwomen can face violence as would be directed at women but it is only because they resemble a woman and not actually because of their sex. It would be interesting to get some more thoughts on how using Gender instead of Sex will disadvantage women in this matter - can any of you amazing thinkers help please? I'm at the point where I know it feels very wrong but can't articulate why.

consult.justice.gov.uk/law-commission/hate-crime/

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2020 12:58

Link to thread about sex v gender in the Forensic Medicine Bill which was debated and amended yesterday.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4098732-Urgent-action-for-those-in-Scotland

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2020 12:56

the provisional view is that Gender is the 'more inclusive term'. They also note elsewhere that transwomen face unique transphobic discrimination. If that is the case, why can't women face unique misogynistic discrimination?

We can cite the Scottish government decision yesterday that gender is not the most appropriate term for sex-based rights.

NoCureForLove · 11/12/2020 12:55

Gardenbird I agree with what you said re of rapists aren't held to account a bit if hate crime us unlikely to be different... But the recording of non crime hate incidents is being used to target gender criticsl women in a frightening way. Have a look at the indomitable Spero's threads on the subject.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2020 12:54

How is asexual transgender?

YouNoob · 11/12/2020 12:52

(I apologise for not being helpful.)

YouNoob · 11/12/2020 12:51

@gardenbird48

and apparently they are going to expand the Transgender category to include Non binary, Cross dressing and Intersex and possibly Asexual.... Hmm

What about furries, demis, two spirits, gender fluid, trisexuals, pansexuals etc etc etc?

Surely, they are being transphobic by not including these gender identities?

gardenbird48 · 11/12/2020 12:46

and apparently they are going to expand the Transgender category to include Non binary, Cross dressing and Intersex and possibly Asexual.... Hmm

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gardenbird48 · 11/12/2020 12:45

although tbf - I don't suppose it will make much difference either way - I have lost a bit of faith in the police and their willingness to protect women - if they can't prosecute rapists, a bit of hate crime isn't going to touch the sides. Maybe we could start a successful Women's Lives Matter campaign??

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