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Women & Equalities Commitee live today at 2.30

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ArabellaScott · 09/12/2020 14:08

'The Women & Equalities Committee will hear from witnesses tomorrow 9/12 on Reform of The GRA at 2.30 pm. Witnesses include @Docstockk
@ProfAliceS
@GoonerProf
& Prof. Stephen Whittle, Alex Sharpe.'

(from Allison Bailey's twitter feed)

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/dfc9f53e-2ac4-4c30-8712-e3df47938fd7

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/12/2020 15:32

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

I may have misheard that one then ...
It's very possible that I did...
Shedbuilder · 09/12/2020 15:30

Yup, Ireland being promoted as the best example. One of them has just asserted that everyone who enters a women's loo does so because they identify as a woman — it's the same as identifying as a vegetarian and we all self-identify multiple times every day — and that anyway taking sex hormones makes some people female (with the implication that even if they aren't.)

And now one of them is on and on about moral panics and absolutely no need for anyone to worry. Talking about GC feminism as 'a solution in search of a policy.' Grrr. Now the second panel. Fingers crossed.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/12/2020 15:29

Will a transcript of this be made available?

GAHgamel · 09/12/2020 15:26

Alex Sharpe: Gender Critical feminism is a solution in search of a problem.
Also is claiming that there's "no empirical basis for alarm" on the interaction with between the GRA and the Equality Act.

yourhairiswinterfire · 09/12/2020 15:26

Arguing for demedicalisation. So again, why is our NHS paying for treatment if it's not a physical or mental issue?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/12/2020 15:26

I may have misheard that one then ...

LeftHandDown · 09/12/2020 15:26

Self ID, we do and will continue to do regardless.

Beer drinker, a knitter, a footballer are all identities we self identify, and is no different from self ID!

They all use the same slight of hand.

Stating that sex based exceptions will exist against those with a GRC. Until they get rid of sex as a PC.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/12/2020 15:26

Sharpe claiming that all transwomen can have the sex-based exceptions in the Equalities Act. Is there a crowdfunder to get that clarified?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/12/2020 15:25

Nice to hear the TW (sorry, don't know their name) confirming that sex based exemptions apply even with a GRC, I'm sure it had been argued in some quarters that they didn't..

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/12/2020 15:25

Census data skewed then. Transwomen will say they are female, according to Ruth Pearce, and why not, as their life experience is female.

I don't agree.

Sharpe saying Gender critical feminism is a solution in search of a problem. Oh really.

talesofginza · 09/12/2020 15:23

"All of us self-identify all the time" -- no we do not.

"As a trans woman my lived sex is female" -- no it is not...

Thingybob · 09/12/2020 15:21

Ha Can I self identify as young then Ruth

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/12/2020 15:21

Will the non-TRA people be able to correct all of these mistruths / half-truths?

Deltoids1 · 09/12/2020 15:20

SW "We are totally understanding of the issues raised by gender critical feminists"

LOLZ

LeftHandDown · 09/12/2020 15:17

The Ireland model was pushed through without consultation, and now it's held up as an 'ideal' model tombs emulated

GAHgamel · 09/12/2020 15:15

SW: "I don't think we should call it spousal consent... it's about informing the spouse about a change in their legal contract"
FFS! YOU DON'T JUST GET TO INFORM SOMEONE OF A CHANGE TO A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT, YOU HAVE TO AGREE THAT CHANGE FIRST!!
(Apologies for the CAPSLOCKING but this annoys me so much).

And now Ruth Pearce is mentioning the risk of this enabling abusive behaviour, which having read the TransWidows' stories makes me wonder if she's not considered the risk from the other direction, or is just conveniently ignoring it.

LeftHandDown · 09/12/2020 15:14

Whittle - don't call it legal consent. Changing document other party should be informed, but it shouldn't stop the process. The trans person has usually been living in their new gender for at least 2 yrs by this point and is unlikely to change back.

Alex - spouse shou!d be informed, but not able to veto. Shou!d be able to arrive at consensus without too much issue.

Ruth - as currently worded gives abusive partners power to control! Trans more likely to experience DV. Divorce should be able to take place alongside GRC.

NB's half trans population, they also need protection. Fluidity and detrans not taken into account when having to state they intend to remain in their gender for ever

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/12/2020 15:14

I'd like to know the definition of domestic violence Ruth Pearce is referring to here. Apparently a poll has suggested that trans people experience disproportionately high levels of DV so Pearce feels this is a particular reason why partners of trans people should not be allowed to exercise any power of veto over a GRC. Is this the literal violence of misgendering? I find it extremely hard to believe that women married to males who decide to transition are routinely violent to them in the sense most of us use the word 'violent'.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/12/2020 15:10

Spousal consent and non-binary people now. Very gracious of Whittle to accept that the spouse of a transitioner might feel the basis of the legal contract of marriage has changed and that should be recognised in law.

ArabellaScott · 09/12/2020 15:08

Ahhh, ginza, that's one of the questions nobody is supposed to ask.

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GreenUp · 09/12/2020 15:08

Is the sound quite bad? I can hardly make out what Whittle is saying.

poshme · 09/12/2020 15:07

I might have to stop watching. They're making me cross.

talesofginza · 09/12/2020 15:04

I struggle to understand how the panel can ask about whether the minimum time of "living in one's preferred gender" is appropriate without asking what on earth that even means... What do they think it means? What are we even talking about?

Deltoids1 · 09/12/2020 15:02

Whittle trying to say that young people don't have a laptop therefore the online process won't make it easier. Really? Young people are attached to the internet most of the time regardless of economics

LeftHandDown · 09/12/2020 15:01

Whittle - Advocating for no fee to change gender/sex other than the cost of a new birth certificate.