Atlantic has an article about "anti-trans feminism" and of course Mumsnet is mentioned

I'm a relatively new fan of Karen/You're Kiddin' Right. She's glorious.

Having a first baby is a bit like a sparrow flying into a glass door. It’s often the first time we really feel the Invisible boundaries that the patriarchy has built for us.

I’m presuming the author of this Atlantic piece is yet to fly into a patio door. We’ll be waiting for her when she does. With

MsNeis

All good questions. Keep them coming. Don’t hold them back.

Never apologise for having a rant. Never apologise for feeling angry about women's oppression.

Welcome to Mumsnet! Did you get sent here by the Atlantic?

I'm new to this (motherhood as well as online forums ;-) and I hate that my first comment will be this one, but I can't stand the lies and blatant manipulation that I see everywhere around this issue. How have we come to this? How is misogyny having such a good time nowadays?

That article is preposterous and fundamentally wrong... This confusion of terms (radical = extremist? really? is that all you've got?) I don't know if it's due to malice or general illiteracy, but it's so frustrating...

I'm sorry this was just a rant. I'll try not to keep them going

I haven't come across Karen before but that was a really good watch. She does a great fake smile

I think I love LSA.

@Marcywillows and anyone else visiting here from LSA

Hello there, I wanted to ask you a quick question about how heavily moderated you are on LSA in regards to discussing the conflicts between women's rights and the trans philosophy. Not because I'm planning on moving in , but just because I want to compare notes.

MN is under strict scrutiny and anything we say that goes over the line (which moves about) is used to persuade advertisers and official forum partners to remove their adverts and money. We have a little unofficial list of words we aren't allowed to say, and it is extremely important we remain polite and impersonal at all times. The site founder gets badgered on twitter if we start threads about particular people in the media being misogynistic in attitude, and so on.

Some threads here end up with so many deletions I don't know what they were about!

How is it going for you?

I really respect The Atlantic and wonder if this is some kind of ninja backflip reverse psychology. They’ve published excellent balanced articles by people like Helen Lewis and Jesse Singal (on child transition/detransition), and John McWhorter and have received a lot of hate from the woke as a result.

So in response they ask a clickbaity Vox journalist to write a completely disingenuous piece which comes across as unhinged and badly researched, not to mention also badly written.

This will do two things. First, it will possibly satisfy the most rapid wokies so they keep reading and possibly are exposed to real journalism by accident. Second, your average Atlantic reader will compare this article to literally everything else published in the magazine - and the comparison will not be in favor of this article!

Downside would be people might look at just this article and decide against renewing because wow it is really bad.

She's so charismatic

I love Karen so much. Her voice, her sense of humour. She is so great.

And that request for someone to let her in on the secret internet of the t**fs.

[quote PlantMam]Unfortunately you only know by knowing the magazine/writers who write for it.

This link actually gives directions on how to tell print from online only.

support.theatlantic.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050757233-Identify-print-and-web-articles-from-The-Atlantic[/quote]

Ah that's good - didn't know they did that. Very sensible. I wish more magazines made it clear.

Unfortunately you only know by knowing the magazine/writers who write for it.

This link actually gives directions on how to tell print from online only.

support.theatlantic.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050757233-Identify-print-and-web-articles-from-The-Atlantic

Unfortunately you only know by knowing the magazine/writers who write for it. I work in media which is how I can usually tell.

That's the case with most websites - print articles are always a million times better than the web only but it's usually impossible to tell unless you buy the magazine or work in media- although the Daily Mail is one of the only outlets that make it clear in their bylines whether it's print or digital only:

XXX for The Daily Mail or xxx for The Mail on Sunday = a print article that's gone on online

XXX for MailOnline/Dailymail.com/Daily Mail Australia = online only

Tumblr is like Reddit, in that it creates pockets of special interest.

The majority of Tumblr users (unlike Redditors) are young women. Tumblr will reflect whatever adolescent and young women are interested in.
Gender has reached it’s own peak and is falling away. It’s become the establishment, and young people are generally pretty anti establishment.

Here comes the new wave of second wave. Thankfully!

I'm intrigued by Kaitlyn Tiffany's mention, in her article, of "radfem" Tumblr.

I thought Tumblr had a reputation for being man-centring-choice-feminism/woke central.

Horrible article that hypocritically doxes Mary Kate Fain from Houston by painting her as some dangerous extremist who is a mastermind behind “secret” extremist hate platforms. All because she rightly understands that sex is determined by your DNA and is immutable, and that it is the female sex that is the victim of oppression.

Here you go Merry

support.theatlantic.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050757233-Identify-print-and-web-articles-from-The-Atlantic

Karen Davis is marvellous.

Does anyone know how you can tell whether an article is in the print magazine or just on-line?

I don't think the article meets the editorial standards of the Atlantic because it only makes sense if you are already immersed in the subject and can skate over the fact that the writer doesn't seem to understand very basic feminist philosophy, and so is not in a position to write about 'extremist' feminists.

However, I suppose as clickbait, it works.

She's awesome.

[quote DancelikeEmmaGoldman]Karen Davis has something to say.

Karen Davis has something to say.

O M G the response on LSA is absolutely brilliant. Crying with laughter at some of the comments.

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/lsa-gets-a-shout-from-the-atlantic-for-being-a-terf-hideaway-prepare-for-an-onslaught-of-others.4176928/

I personally think the poster Medusaa on that thread has called it right.