Atlantic has an article about "anti-trans feminism" and of course Mumsnet is mentioned

@Triggerpod should get Karen on!

Their Posie/Kellie episode is up to 800k views, I suspect Karen would be similarly popular!

Karen is magnificent

Always great to find a new inspirational woman to listen to.

Thank you for the thread and the link to you’re kiddin’ right? over on YouTube- she’s had videos taken down already so someone’s clearly worried that she’s gathering an audience.. I only just discovered her videos from this thread, and so far so excellent!

"It's only women! Who gives a shit!"

I love her...I hope she never stops making videos.

Ohh, thank you everyone

This IS a very good place and am happy to have found it.

I don't think I've become more radicalized than I was pre-motherhood (I've always considered myself a kind of socialist feminist): what motherhood has done for me is make me fall from my cloudy ivory tower, where I was very happy and detached from reality, haha! I mean, I had read all the theory and everything... and I'm embarrassed to admit that I was prejudiced against motherhood, for "feminist" reasons (I guess you know where I come from).

I'm extremely happy to have passed that phase, though (I was young and naive ) and motherhood is really like flying into a glass door (that was a great image!).

Anyway, this is a great sister-tribe and I'm very happy to be a part of it now!

(I'm not a native english speaker, by the way, so there WILL be errors, haha!)

I love Karen so much. Her voice, her sense of humour. She is so great.

Another video! She's really gunning for this article. I think this is her best yet.

It appears this article has set a new record for bad faith representation - and there have been some doozies in the past.

It's kind of great, because it does expose exactly how low the tactics of the other side are, drawing in more people who were previously on the fence, like one of the PPs.

Other content creators are grateful too - eg Katie Herzog who gets a whole podcast episode out of it:

Anyway, this article is incredibly bad and it reads like something out of PinkNews rather than the Atlantic. It’s also great fodder for the pod so a big THANK YOU to the author and to @TheAtlantic for your service.

Téa Smith exploded today - after two days of "let's try and moderate things, and try to actually come up with workable policy answers, and I'm going to call out GC bad behaviour" she's just done over an hour of swearing at the author and questioning her relationship to her parents

Things are bleak here, but a bit less so since the Keira Bell case. Hats off to her!

I was going to re-up my Atlantic subscription, but instead I headed to Mumsnet. The last thing we need is more such drivel.

I just really like the name "Overit"

Dropping by to add this - A series of emails has been published, adding this to the thread in case it's useful:

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Having a first baby is a bit like a sparrow flying into a glass door. It’s often the first time we really feel the Invisible boundaries that the patriarchy has built for us.

100% agreed, PlantMam although in my case it was miscarriage that radicalised me, a horrible, gut-wrenching experience that helped me to understand fully just how much of female biology is erased from mainstream, patriarchal society. We are supposed to carry this silent biological burden, experience these freakish unsettling events that put us at war with our own bodies - and then shut up about it so the men don't get frightened, alarmed that maybe their male world of normal is not normal at all.

The trans issue is just a new, convenient way for men to shut women up and stop us from talking about our bodies - this time in the name of kindness to others, a supremely toxic twist on the usual patriarchal tactics.

Lol it’s just another version of the now derided champagne socialism phrase or virtue signalling. These guys genuinely feel morally superior supporting things they’ll never have to deal with in their bolt holes . Might like the idea of supporting a pretty feminine man who is harmless and might pass but then ignore a 6 foot 4 brick shithouse with a beard claiming the same rights. Like that copper!

They ignore Allison Bailey, too. White feminism. Pshaw. It might be a western issue as yet, but that doesn't mean the ramifications of this issue only affect white women in the west. In fact, it disproportionately impacts women other than white middle-class libfems.

Emma Watson and Olivia Colman are never going to end up in prison with someone like Karen White, are they? How often do either of them ever deign to mix with the plebs in a Primark fitting room?

She's "that girl" in a few articles.

Have you noticed how no one seems to want to admit that Keira Bell is a young lesbian of colour?

Or if they do, they attempt to remove her agency by saying she’s been indoctrinated by white middle aged terves or they deny her own testimony and claim she isn’t a reidentified woman at all and instead label her as nonbinary but in denial?

They say that gender critical feminists believe 'gender is fixed' when that's not what gender critical feminists believe at all.

#nodebate seems to be working, when people don't have the foggiest idea about what we're on about, and they categorically refuse to find out. I saw a libfem acquaintance claim today that 'radical feminists only see white HETEROSEXUAL "cis" people as human'. Like... how the fuck can you be that off base?

It’s not Mumsnet that radicalises us, it’s motherhood

alternative routes to feminism exist too, obvs!

And many of those alternative routes also stem from biology. Like being a victim of male violence, being passed over for work because you might have a baby, dealing with infertility, having your health problems ignored.

If anyone here would like an invite to Ovarit, just let me know.

Yes, when a certain prominent trans celebrity tried to shame Mumsnet by deriding it as a ‘Radicalisation Portal’ it just showed their inability to understand what women’s lives are actually like...

It’s not Mumsnet that radicalises us, it’s motherhood*

*alternative routes to feminism exist too, obvs!

Having a first baby is a bit like a sparrow flying into a glass door. It’s often the first time we really feel the Invisible boundaries that the patriarchy has built for us.

One of my friends has a brilliant phrase: radicalised by motherhood.

A sparrow into patio doors sums it up so perfectly.

Welcome MsNeis . Get it off your chest, it helps!

Great post PlantMam