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The Baroness and the Marks and Spencer Reversal.

118 replies

Al1langdownthecleghole · 07/12/2020 21:43

Yes!!!!!

Apologies if there is already a thread on this. But well done once again

Emma Harriet Nicholson (@Baroness_Nichol) Tweeted:
M&S beats the competition as it always has when it really matters...⁦*@marksandspenc⁩ ⁦*@EmmaJPalermo⁩ t.co/WPlFaol6vC

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IsFinnRogersDead · 08/12/2020 09:34

"Dear Archie"

I love it.

I'd like to see their definition of single sex though.

StillAHarpie · 08/12/2020 09:18

@Coatandhat

I've just had a look at the website Harpie and the fetish reviews I saw have been edited so that it's not obvious - unless you'd seen them before, you might be puzzled by the number of likes and dislikes.
I took a look, it’s weird I did a quick check and some comments have slipped through their rewrite like the poster with ‘tv’ in the middle of their name who said they thought ‘real women’ would also find the item comfortable but yes a big clean-up.

I’ll go back to shopping in M&S as long as they keep this policy in place, however this last year my shopping habit changes have lead me to find a lot of smaller producers that I’ll continue to use. And I still feel ‘eck’ about buying knickers there tbh.

7Days · 08/12/2020 09:04

If anyone does buy anything, let them know it's because of the reversal.

Make it crystal clear that it's worth it to them.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 08:41

I wonder if there will be a protest though? Now that would be a little more than snarky.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/12/2020 08:38

They've added to their crimes... see the Harry Potter merchandise Smile

EwwSprouts · 08/12/2020 08:29

Oh and thank you to Baroness Nichol.

EwwSprouts · 08/12/2020 08:28

Thank goodness. I've been buying bits of food as they are the closest store to home. But now I can buy my Dad an M&S jumper for Christmas and me some cotton pjs.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 08/12/2020 08:25

@MsMarvellous

I am happy to let people and companies roll back and not make a fuss. If they can't do it without receiving a whole load of sarcasm and grief it'll put more off even trying to step back.

I'm going to do some shopping at M&S and watch for others stepping back from the craziness. If we don't forgive them when they realise they're wrong we're not giving companies the space to peak. It was always going to take longer in an organisation.

Although i agree in principle and don’t generally boycott companies

I doubt people getting sarky with M&S will make any difference to M&S policy, they didn’t listen to complaints the first time round so I doubt they’d be phased by snark

But yeah, i do agree with msmarvellous

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 08:15

Do we think John Lewis will follow? They were effing dismissive of concerns at the time.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 08/12/2020 08:10

I'm going to do some shopping at M&S and watch for others stepping back from the craziness. If we don't forgive them when they realise they're wrong we're not giving companies the space to peak.

I agree MsMarvellous, I'm going to welcome them back into the sensible fold by buying some of that cut price Prosecco Poppers mentioned.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 08:06

Hmmmm - suicide stats blackmail, sad horse photos in newspapers ‘they said I couldn’t use the ladies/men’s changing room’, social media threats and harassment Vs sarcasm...

highame · 08/12/2020 08:05

I am all for a bit of forgiveness, I'm not kind, it's just that we need to show that we value a change in direction. Others might follow suit if they see the positive side. Except of course for those wise women who found alternatives Smile

MsMarvellous · 08/12/2020 08:03

I am happy to let people and companies roll back and not make a fuss. If they can't do it without receiving a whole load of sarcasm and grief it'll put more off even trying to step back.

I'm going to do some shopping at M&S and watch for others stepping back from the craziness. If we don't forgive them when they realise they're wrong we're not giving companies the space to peak. It was always going to take longer in an organisation.

TirisfalPumpkin · 08/12/2020 07:57

Great news. A consumer boycott is effective, but you can’t beat a letter-writing Baroness.

I’m kind of tempted by that pastel fair isle jumper, and ooh, that leather trucker jacket... and ALL of the big knickers.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 07:57

I’ve found alternatives for - well just a bit everything to be honest. Just as I have for my tampons, bath smellies etc.

The risk companies run is losing customers forever because they find just as good/better alternative in the meantime and change their habits (M&S knickers have been pants for a long time now).

DazzlePaintedBattlePants · 08/12/2020 07:36

To be fair given the backlash on social media I can’t blame them for quietly changing policy and not making a huge song and dance. Things are tough enough in retail.

I like M&S and have always had good service from them. I’ll take breaks like this where we can get them. It would feel churlish to insist on extensive self flagellation.

Al1langdownthecleghole · 08/12/2020 07:34

I agree there needs to be a public statement and an apology to the women who had raised this with them publicly.

I also hope this is a tipping point and others will follow.

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PotholeParadies · 08/12/2020 01:22

Oh my goodness, yay. Need new underwear, but I wasn't going to buy it while that policy was in place.

Glad I've waited it out this long. Might buy the cherubs some HP merchandise while I'm at it.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 07/12/2020 23:25

Without an apology they can still get stuffed.

Datun · 07/12/2020 23:17

@Coatandhat

I've just had a look at the website Harpie and the fetish reviews I saw have been edited so that it's not obvious - unless you'd seen them before, you might be puzzled by the number of likes and dislikes.
Really? So they're happy for fetishists to post reviews, as long as they can de-perv them for their cardigan n slippers market?

I'll never understand it, to be honest. Just delete them. Just say no. I can't imagine that the fetish market is in the slightest bit financially significant.

Coatandhat · 07/12/2020 23:11

I've just had a look at the website Harpie and the fetish reviews I saw have been edited so that it's not obvious - unless you'd seen them before, you might be puzzled by the number of likes and dislikes.

FionaMacCool · 07/12/2020 23:08

@invisibleoldwoman

The Baroness is amazing but I’d like to see a clear statement from M&S before I feel confidence in their intentions. Suspect it is a ploy to get their xmas market back.
I'm afraid I am very much in the camp of "watch what they do, dont listen to what they say".
EyesOpening · 07/12/2020 23:03

Two male bra fitters??!! WTF!

PopperUppleton · 07/12/2020 22:55

Their lovely Prosecco is currently a third off so that's worth a toast 🥂

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 07/12/2020 22:54

I'm reserving judgement until I find out what M&S have actually said, but great news if it's true.