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The Baroness and the Marks and Spencer Reversal.

118 replies

Al1langdownthecleghole · 07/12/2020 21:43

Yes!!!!!

Apologies if there is already a thread on this. But well done once again

Emma Harriet Nicholson (@Baroness_Nichol) Tweeted:
M&S beats the competition as it always has when it really matters...⁦*@marksandspenc⁩ ⁦*@EmmaJPalermo⁩ t.co/WPlFaol6vC

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SunsetBeetch · 09/12/2020 08:43

@Tannins

And so it begins.....
"Are you suggesting transwomen won't respect the rules, and women's boundaries?" is a bloody good response though.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2020 08:39

Oh dear. It's quite dismissive, isn't it?

Winesalot · 09/12/2020 08:35

Well. That is going to back fire on them I think. There are many more people realizing just what is happening now in regards to changing rooms and single sex spaces compared to the start of the year.

This will mean more people will talk about their discomfort of this decision than at the start of the year. Good going M&S.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 09/12/2020 08:26

Oh well - good reminder for those who didn’t know or who had forgotten.

Gender my arse...

EwwSprouts · 09/12/2020 08:22

So glad I'm disorganised enough that I haven't bought that jumper for DDad yet.

LurkingLotus · 09/12/2020 07:42

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9032049/M-S-DENY-U-turning-allowing-self-identifying-women-female-changing-rooms.html

Looks like they haven't actually changed anything. Angry

BitOfFun · 09/12/2020 03:59

PooMcWee appears to think that extensive physical checks would be necessary to ascertain biological sex. Newsflash: WE CAN TELL. And without anybody having to get undressed.

Tannins · 09/12/2020 03:49

@VulvaPerson - I agree, it’s not about genitals, it’s about understanding social conventions, rules and boundaries and respecting them because it is the right thing to do.

VulvaPerson · 09/12/2020 02:20

@Tannins

And so it begins.....
This reply is spot on, and honestly probably the best way to respond to the ridiculous 'genital checks' people.

Why would they do that?! Are you suggesting transwomen won't respect the rules, and women's boundaries?

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 08/12/2020 22:27

@DaughterOfEvilReindeer

Poo McWee is clearly a troll. I think NaunetBastet is the one Tannins means? Still, a lone voice which is a turn in the tide.
Wait

How did my daughter get on mumsnet

You should be in bed young lady!

TirisfalPumpkin · 08/12/2020 21:09

Who's been on and bought all the big pants?

Out of stock in nearly every size :(

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 08/12/2020 14:56

@DaughterOfEvilReindeer

Poo McWee is clearly a troll. I think NaunetBastet is the one Tannins means? Still, a lone voice which is a turn in the tide.
I thought that poster was being tongue in cheek. Maybe they both are.
DaughterOfEvilReindeer · 08/12/2020 14:02

Poo McWee is clearly a troll. I think NaunetBastet is the one Tannins means? Still, a lone voice which is a turn in the tide.

MichelleofzeResistance · 08/12/2020 13:03

The bottom line will be how will they train their staff to deal with someone male such as Travis whatzit getting very angry.

What alternative provisions are being made for TW who do not want to change with male people who identify as men? TM who do not want to change with female people who identify as women? Women who just want to be left the fuck alone for five minutes to try on a skirt in peace

GrandmaMazur · 08/12/2020 12:33

I wonder if they’ll bother letting the poor staff working on the shop floor know about the change (seeing as many of them seemed uninformed the last time)

DaisiesandButtercups · 08/12/2020 12:31

If they are protecting the dignity, privacy, health and safety of their female customers again I will be happy to return.

How they are going to go about enforcing that protection I would love to know in order to be sure that they really will be taking it seriously.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 12:18

I can’t. I am slow to piss off/anger but once I do I just can’t back off. I still remember the rage as a small child of being told that I had to forgive a bully just because they said ‘I take it back’ (because they were found out and made to apologies even though they didn’t mean it). No you can’t take it back, you can’t unsay it... nooooo.

M&S - was asked, pleaded, begged but were told to shut up and stop being such nasty people.

There were stories in the paper of people being turned away from a M&S particular sex changing room, and getting grovelling public apologies, promises of staff being ‘trained’ (and calls for their sacking) and please to come back and they will be treated well...

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 08/12/2020 12:12

Hurray! If it's confirmed I will def go back, and will let them know why. An apology too would be good, but it's still a big step forward to change the policy and let it be known that it's changed (hopefully the first of many!).

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 12:11

I’ll have a dig in the drawer and look at the labels. Last lot I bought was in the states (yes I am a saddo who travels halfway across the glove and goes out knicker buying!).

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 08/12/2020 12:11

PooMcwee is very concerned about gender non-conforming women's access rights when it supports the argument that all sorts of PooMcwees should be allowed to get undressed alongside women. I wonder if PMW has done any other campaigning for women's rights?

MoanerLizzie · 08/12/2020 12:09

@ThatIsNotMyUsername Sorry to '@' you but could you tell me where you've found the holy grail of Old-School-M&S-Quality knickers? I agree M&S ones are really disappointing now and I miss the old ones.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 12:06

Poo McWee isn’t very observant are they (and surely should be in class right now?)

Tannins · 08/12/2020 12:02

And so it begins.....

The Baroness and the Marks and Spencer Reversal.
ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 11:33

Will they change their signage then? Last time I was in it just said ‘changing rooms’ with no little man/woman signage.

SeaRabbit · 08/12/2020 11:24

Well quite they need to be really clear - but I do need some new bras and one of theirs is just so comfortable. And they do have some better things in now. I've been keeping an eye but not buying anything.