The Baroness and the Marks and Spencer Reversal.

I have taken into account too that any female who has been raped and whose case CPS will actually take into a court room, will be faced with a great deal of questioning and focus on what she wore, where she was, should she have been there, should she reasonably have expected there to be a risk, is she culpable of making bad decisions that could be perceived of making her responsible for a male person having decided to assault her.

And that we've just seen two court cases where a judge, sentencing a group of TW having seriously assaulted someone, has blamed the victim of the assault for having provoked the TW.

So I have no doubt that we will come to see that a court would blame a female for being in a mixed sex changing room alone/dressed wrong/ in some other way being culpable for what happened to them.

I really want to know where not to let my nearly teen daughter shop alone.

I'm afraid that ship has sailed, our dds are growing up in a very different world to the one we were lucky enough to know. Certainly at the moment I have my lot prepared that male people may be in any and all spaces with any agenda, no one will be thinking about female safety except females themselves, the police are not successfully dealing with even fully evidenced rapes, and so it's better if you're female not to put yourself into situations where you may become a prop in someone else's experience.

It's a huge step back from the culture we were lucky enough to know as kids.

I have a No Male Person When I've Got Clothes Off And Want Privacy And Not To Be An Unwilling Participator In Someone Else's Sexual Experience gender.

Agree with PP's, get this on some merchandise

I expect the extremely accomplished Baroness wanted to give us a cue to demonstrate that there was money in it for M&S and to M&S shareholders.

Is there a simple boycott list anywhere? Like a list of companies throwing biological women under the proverbial bus so men can comfortably wear frilly pants in a woman's changing room and review their experience of getting a thrill? I really want to know where not to let my nearly teen daughter shop alone.

Dammit why did i forget the hat!

Doh!

Obviously would need the hat

Wouldn't work without a hat

And a hat.

Obvs.

I was thinking a huge rosette Rufus

You’d need a sandwich board nowadays

I have a No Male Person When I've Got Clothes Off And Want Privacy And Not To Be An Unwilling Participator In Someone Else's Sexual Experience gender.

Do you have any badges? I'd like one.

Right. No money for M&S from me then.

Let's see how much money people who like to use changing rooms to ejaculate in actually spend.

Is M&S the one where perverts openly bragged about ejaculating on women's clothes, and getting off on the thought on unsuspecting women wearing them?

That's the one. Oh and hoping gleefully that women might take their shoes off in the changing rooms and walk in ejaculations left on the floor for them.

I have a No Male Person When I've Got Clothes Off And Want Privacy And Not To Be An Unwilling Participator In Someone Else's Sexual Experience gender. I'd like a suitable changing room please. But not in M&S because I wouldn't now go in there without a hazmat suit.

I’d prefer to use the directors personal office myself... I’d feel much more comfortable there.

I don't think they have changed their policy, an email received today suggests it is still according to customer preference:

"However, in line with most other retailers we will generally allow people to use the fitting room which they prefer, with our colleagues exercising discretion and common sense."

So it's on the staff (mostly women) again.

I agree - we aren’t the stupid ones...

and now we look stupid

Err why do WE look stupid?

There aren't many if they've got changing rooms. I don't know of one single retailer that forces people to use changing rooms or toilets based on the sex they were born.

oh, there's still a few out there jj - don't you worry :¬)) and when Anne Sinnott wins her case and forces the EHRC to publicise the actual correct version of the law, backed up by some letter writing ladies, I'm sure there will be more.

In the meantime, I've got plenty of clothes to keep me going - I'm not going out much atm

Hoping for an update from the Baroness on this.

There aren't many if they've got changing rooms. I don't know of one single retailer that forces people to use changing rooms or toilets based on the sex they were born.

Yes, god forbid changing rooms are based on physical sex, rather than an unseeable feeling in ones head. How silly of anyone to think that it should be based on what can actually be seen, instead of vague 'thoughts'.

Why on earth anyone would think segregation by 'gender' is needed, god knows. Its akin to segregating changing rooms by favourite kind of food. Or hair colour.

No one has ever “forced” me to use the change rooms or toilets of my natal sex, because I have respect for both myself and other people (of both sexes), and I behave accordingly. I am female and use the corresponding facilities, as do all the females I know. No males I know would even think to intrude on or insist on being permitted into such private female places, in fact the idea would be horrifying to them that any male would do so.....

Is M&S the one where perverts openly bragged about ejaculating on women's clothes, and getting off on the thought on unsuspecting women wearing them?

It’s definitely a very off strategy. I suspect they are just trying to tank the business!

Selling revolting clothes didn’t do it,
dropping the quality of the clothes didn’t do it,
dropping nice food lines for some dodgy/crappy ones didn’t do it...