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Rachel Rooney criticised by Philip Pulman

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HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 06/12/2020 17:04

Rachel Rooney who wrote a delightful book about children feeling comfortable with their bodies has been described as 'hateful' by author Philip Pullman in response to a tweet by Clara Vulliamy. Rooney has written about this on Twitter. I'm so upset for her:

twitter.com/rooneyrachel/status/1335610842222653441?s=21

twitter.com/philippullman/status/1335523666847813632?s=21

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PotholeParadies · 06/12/2020 23:15

It's such an odd exchange as she is saying that Rachel has attacked her... Im very confused.

I think she's trying to claim/imply that Rachel has posted on the thread? But she hasn't. Zero deleted posts and no hidden posts.

So I think that what she means is that Rachel Rooney replied on her very own twitter profile and Rachel's friends supported Rachel there. Clara finds it a personal affront that Rachel has friends too? Oh, and it's all the big bad Rachel's fault that Clara's family members had a nose at what Rachel's friends were saying back.

This woman's thread is... Odd with a capital O and so are all the people clapping her.

She claims a book is propaganda, but she never says why. Her evidence is that the same group produces some stickers she opposes. That's not evidence a book is horrible, is it?

She wants to lay into Rachel Rooney on a public website, but she doesn't want Rachel Rooney to be aware of it?

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 06/12/2020 23:09

Has amazon really wussed out and refused to stock it?

Defaultname · 06/12/2020 23:08

If there was a Like button, all the posts in support of SisterWendy, who's been true to her child's best interests, would've had them.

NoSquirrels · 06/12/2020 23:06

SisterWendyBuckett I'm so sorry. That's heartbreaking.

Melroses · 06/12/2020 23:03

SisterWendyBuckett Flowers

Hopefully in the future parents and children will have more open choices available and not end up in this no win situation.

ClaireP20 · 06/12/2020 22:49

[quote HecatesCatsInXmasHats]You can buy it here:

www.transgendertrend.com/product/my-body-is-me/[/quote]
Just ordered - thank you

RandomGel · 06/12/2020 22:48

@ClaireP20 @Backbee
You can buy a copy here: www.transgendertrend.com/product/my-body-is-me/
Easy enough with a PayPal account.
It doesn’t surprise me that Amazon have refused to sell it. Good reviews and yet the book is no longer available 🤔

ClaireP20 · 06/12/2020 22:46

@SisterWendyBuckett

I'm horrified to see what CV intimated about Rachel Rooney and her lovely, body-affirming book. PP's response was utterly ignorant and wrong.

Undoubtedly Keira's case has rattled a lot of cages and many with a vested interest are attempting to push back very forcefully. Especially in the light of so many brilliant, eye opening articles in the papers this weekend.

However, I am loathe to criticise other parents and consign them to the 'bad' box if they cheerlead their kids. Because it is very very hard to not go along with this.

If you don't become your child's number 1 supporter and amplify the ideology then it is likely you'll be branded as transphobic and a bigot.

Depending on the age of your child, they may completely cut you out of their life and this can cause absolute havoc throughout the family.

Any parent who has the strength to stand firm and chooses not to enable and collude becomes metaphorically gagged and literally silenced. The battle to own truth is at the heart of this movement and dissenting parents will be sacrificed.

I chose not to collude. I tried to help my daughter understand that her body was absolutely perfect in all its beautiful femaleness. I begged her to keep her future options open. To pause before embarking on medical treatments as things had escalated so quickly.

She hasn't spoken to me
or her Dad since before beginning testosterone over 2 years ago and will have nothing to do with us.

We simply couldn't
go along with the madness, revision of her history or support medical transition - and it has been unspeakably painful to take this position.

For me, wanting my daughter to remain physically whole and to work through her mental distress was the most truly loving thing I could do as a mother. But others will make a different choice.

I might wish they didn't affirm and enable, I might profoundly disagree with their solutions but I don't blame them. I have to believe that they think they are doing the best for their children. And that this vile ideology makes losers of us all.

That sounds so painful - what a wonderful and strong woman you are, I'm so sorry for what you've been through xx
HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 06/12/2020 22:46

You can buy it here:

www.transgendertrend.com/product/my-body-is-me/

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ClaireP20 · 06/12/2020 22:40

@Backbee

I hadn't heard of this book, but will be buying a few copies.
Good luck with that - it seems Amazon has removed it....
BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero · 06/12/2020 22:40

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RozWatching · 06/12/2020 22:37

Vulliamy was completely out of order the first time, but this latest just makes her look like someone with a personal vendetta. It's nasty and unnecessary. I don't care what her personal circumstances are, this bullying has to stop.
PP comes across as a clueless, pompous arse. His reply to RR
"Ashamed of supporting someone I like and admire?"
Yeah, supporting her in bullying a children's author who has done nothing wrong. Ffs.

CrossPurposes · 06/12/2020 22:31

SisterWendyBuckett

I'm heartbroken for you. What a terrible position you are in.

Melroses · 06/12/2020 22:28

@NoSquirrels

Hence the need to announce it. I it was my children, it would have stopped at "two grown up children" to protect their privacy.

To be fair, it must be extraordinarily difficult to say that if it then seems as if you’re not being supportive to your child’s identity. I understand what you mean about privacy, but I don’t think CV can be accused of not respecting her child’s privacy. But it obviously does inform her reaction to the Transgender Trend book by RR. What I think is very misguided is not to have considered that the content of the book is exactly what CV herself says she believes children’s books should be: inclusive, showing diversity etc.

TBH, I meant irrespective of any transitioning - it was just hard to work out a suitable phrasing. It is hard to maintain any privacy when people can google your family so easily.
doadeer · 06/12/2020 22:28

It's such an odd exchange as she is saying that Rachel has attacked her... Im very confused.

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doadeer · 06/12/2020 22:26

This is why we are all blocked. We probably follow JK Rowling or whatever 🙄

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HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 06/12/2020 22:23

I'm so sorry Wendy Thanks

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SisterWendyBuckett · 06/12/2020 22:20

I'm horrified to see what CV intimated about Rachel Rooney and her lovely, body-affirming book. PP's response was utterly ignorant and wrong.

Undoubtedly Keira's case has rattled a lot of cages and many with a vested interest are attempting to push back very forcefully. Especially in the light of so many brilliant, eye opening articles in the papers this weekend.

However, I am loathe to criticise other parents and consign them to the 'bad' box if they cheerlead their kids. Because it is very very hard to not go along with this.

If you don't become your child's number 1 supporter and amplify the ideology then it is likely you'll be branded as transphobic and a bigot.

Depending on the age of your child, they may completely cut you out of their life and this can cause absolute havoc throughout the family.

Any parent who has the strength to stand firm and chooses not to enable and collude becomes metaphorically gagged and literally silenced. The battle to own truth is at the heart of this movement and dissenting parents will be sacrificed.

I chose not to collude. I tried to help my daughter understand that her body was absolutely perfect in all its beautiful femaleness. I begged her to keep her future options open. To pause before embarking on medical treatments as things had escalated so quickly.

She hasn't spoken to me
or her Dad since before beginning testosterone over 2 years ago and will have nothing to do with us.

We simply couldn't
go along with the madness, revision of her history or support medical transition - and it has been unspeakably painful to take this position.

For me, wanting my daughter to remain physically whole and to work through her mental distress was the most truly loving thing I could do as a mother. But others will make a different choice.

I might wish they didn't affirm and enable, I might profoundly disagree with their solutions but I don't blame them. I have to believe that they think they are doing the best for their children. And that this vile ideology makes losers of us all.

sauceyorange · 06/12/2020 22:19

CV probably uses the infamous Terfblocker designed by the Challoner family (of child abuse/ Green Party fame) to premptively block any dissenting views.

I'm not surprised he's taken against Rachel Rooney. His books are pretty anti-woman in my opinion. I mean they're great stories and it's nice to have female child protagonists but with one exception all the mothers are at best absent and more usually malevolent or even murderous towards their children.

Clymene · 06/12/2020 22:14

I realised yesterday that this ruling puts the kibosh on all those parents who have been socially transitioning their children, hoping that they can stealthily move them onto puberty blockers and then CSH hoping that none of their classmates know they're actually male when they're presenting as a girl /vice versa.

Social transition for primary aged children in England is now over.

NewlyGranny · 06/12/2020 22:10

Also, is it really surprising that a children's fantasy author has got a bit carried away by magical thinking? He was never likely to be the best judge, was he?

NewlyGranny · 06/12/2020 22:08

There seems to s lot of concern for children already on PBs, having presented as the opposite sex for years, suddenly having drugs withdrawn and undergoing a puberty they don't want which will shock their friends. I don't think there was anything in the judgement about refusing PBs to children already on them, though.

Likewise very young children who are on PBs because of precocious puberty. I don't think the judgement affects them, but their plight is raised.

NoSquirrels · 06/12/2020 22:04

Hence the need to announce it. I it was my children, it would have stopped at "two grown up children" to protect their privacy.

To be fair, it must be extraordinarily difficult to say that if it then seems as if you’re not being supportive to your child’s identity. I understand what you mean about privacy, but I don’t think CV can be accused of not respecting her child’s privacy. But it obviously does inform her reaction to the Transgender Trend book by RR. What I think is very misguided is not to have considered that the content of the book is exactly what CV herself says she believes children’s books should be: inclusive, showing diversity etc.

Defaultname · 06/12/2020 21:43

@nauticant

If you look at the series of Clara Vulliamy's tweets, near the start is this:

It doesn’t relate to this week’s court ruling, but is in some ways adjacent, and concerns something that happened a year ago today. What happened was this.

Why rake this back up now? In a way to direct ill-feeling towards Rachel Rooney? It's telling that CV mentions the Keira Bell decision but then says her tirade is nothing to do with that. I'd say that someone's world has been shaken by the decision, and being desperate to avoid self-reflection they're lashing out.

She's just tweeted about how "events are moving fast and dangerously", which might be a reference to the Court of Protection intervening for kids. Then gives a link to someone saying that Transgender Trend was allowed to give evidence, "No organisation working directly with trans youth was". twitter.com/shonfaye/status/1335176071688450048?s=20
Melroses · 06/12/2020 21:42

This is the 'Susie Green' effect in action. When one is so invested in the ideology and has taken one's own children down this path, there is no going back, and all one can do is try to persuade the world (and possibly oneself) that one has done the right thing.

Hence the need to announce it. I it was my children, it would have stopped at "two grown up children" to protect their privacy.

My children are the same age and I had no idea about this ideology when they went away to university. I only found out by talking to them about what I had read on here. One did a course with someone transitioning, one lived with someone with Asperger's who had transitioned socially and one of their friends at school is now ftm, and another said she is asexual (she went away to study biology Confused ) and has social anxiety problems.

I think parents of children this sort of age were totally unprepared for anything likes this.

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