Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rachel Rooney criticised by Philip Pulman

163 replies

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 06/12/2020 17:04

Rachel Rooney who wrote a delightful book about children feeling comfortable with their bodies has been described as 'hateful' by author Philip Pullman in response to a tweet by Clara Vulliamy. Rooney has written about this on Twitter. I'm so upset for her:

twitter.com/rooneyrachel/status/1335610842222653441?s=21

twitter.com/philippullman/status/1335523666847813632?s=21

Rachel Rooney criticised by Philip Pulman
OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Thread gallery
7
ThatIsNotMyUsername · 07/12/2020 18:59

It didn’t go anywhere...

PotholeParadies · 07/12/2020 17:57

Wasn't there a petition to stop them banning Abigail?

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 07/12/2020 17:46

They haven’t banned Abigail have they? Probably delivery issues?

Apollo440 · 07/12/2020 17:28

Why haven't Amazon got the book? They can't have got it banned from there?

DidoLamenting · 07/12/2020 17:24

@BriocheForBreakfast

I'm so disappointed in Philip Pullman - it won't stop me enjoying HDM series 2 but what a knob!
I probably won't buy the last part of The Book of Dust when it comes out. I got stuck halfway through The Secret Commonwealth. It's a bit dull and silly.

The look of distaste on Mrs Coulter's face last night when she was given the option of a pair of jeans to make her blend in was wonderful.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 07/12/2020 16:05

Saying not dating

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 07/12/2020 16:05

Now he’s dating someone can’t read a book (not sure if it’s one of his or Rachel’s...) he’s either having a laugh or has lost the plot.

Greencoatblue · 07/12/2020 16:02

Well the law of unintended consequences comes into play again. I was telling my husband about the book etc and how no mainstream sellers are stocking it. He's gone online, confirmed what I said, got angry, then ordered copies and made a donation lol Without all this sniping at Rachel we'd never have known, and don't even have any children in the family of that age. Smile

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 07/12/2020 15:53

Quite right Pothole, Rachel doesn't deserve any of this.

OP posts:
PotholeParadies · 07/12/2020 15:50

He's mucking about for something. What he gets from it, I don't know, but he's not interested in serious discussion.

Look at the time-stamps. One minute he's trying to support trans people in the UK, then the literal next minute he claims it was just aboutsupporting his personal friend.

Ignore him, people on twitter and focus on being nice to Rachel, the real victim in all this.

Rachel Rooney criticised by Philip Pulman
Rachel Rooney criticised by Philip Pulman
ThatIsNotMyUsername · 07/12/2020 15:26

Certainly can’t be book sales...

SunsetBeetch · 07/12/2020 15:10

@PotholeParadies

I think people on twitter should just ignore Pullman now.
I do wonder if it's attention (and relevance) seeking.
PotholeParadies · 07/12/2020 13:24

I think people on twitter should just ignore Pullman now.

RozWatching · 07/12/2020 12:54

I missed this interview at the time, just saw it posted on Twitter.
Turns out PP knows what he is talking about, and here at least he agrees with Transgender Trend:

amp.theguardian.com/global/2019/sep/29/philip-pullman-i-am-a-citizen-and-a-writer?__twitter_impression=true

“I got into terrible trouble a year or two ago because I said, in all innocence, ‘Look what is this quarrel between feminists and trans people? What’s the argument about?’”

He claims, rather mischievously, that he still doesn’t understand the debate about whether gender can be overthrown biologically or socially, but I suggest it’s a relevant topic to his books, in which almost all children are born with a daemon of the opposite sex, who represents the other part of them, perhaps their soul. The daemon changes animal until puberty, when it takes a fixed form and the child finds out who they really are. It does make me think about the question of trans children and blocking puberty. He turns very thoughtful about this.

“If I had a child, boy or girl, who felt passionately from an early age, manifestly that they were in the wrong body, I hope I would be understanding and as kind as possible,” he says. “What I don’t think I’d do is hasten them away to an endocrinologist. I know that if you want to transition, it is physically more plausible, or persuasive, if you do it before puberty, but is a child before puberty capable of… I mean the answer is, we don’t know, do we? We don’t know. The only thing we can do is to be as kind as possible.”

Melroses · 07/12/2020 12:45

CV's adult child is of an age where they should be getting on with life. Surely she should have moved on by now if affirmation is all it's cracked up to be?

She may have been happy trailblazing experimental treatment, but time has passed and there should be evidence by now. Parents and children of today need to be offered a more evidence based approach.

I can see PP is trying to defend a family friend who is in pain, but the global noticeboard of Twitter really is not the place.

Datun · 07/12/2020 12:30

A High Court judge has just ruled that puberty blockers are an experimental treatment, to which children are unable to consent because they have lifelong extremely negative side effects, which children can't comprehend. After reading thousands of pages of testimony and submission.

Not very complicated to grasp. It's all documented and evidenced.

As is the court approved intervention of Transgender Trend, the head of which was shortlisted for the John Maddox prize.

A prize, which, incidentally, rewards an individual who has promoted sound science and evidence on a matter of public interest’ with an emphasis ‘on those who have faced difficulty or hostility in doing so’

It doesn't get to be more of a slamdunk.

Criticising an author for associating with transgender trend, is an empty and obvious tactic. And it's a testament to the women here, who choose to view that partly with sadness, rather than outrage, due to compassion with a parent.

Nonetheless, the right side of history, it's not.

teawamutu · 07/12/2020 12:07

I'm never going to contribute a penny to PP's royalties again. He's the Jolyon Maugham of literature.

HerselfIndoors · 07/12/2020 11:52

PP is coming across like a stereotyped sitcom grandad who doesn't have a clue what's going on and agreeing with lots of contradictory things. He has the intelligence to look into this and find out about it properly - and perhaps find out how much trans ideology and the concept of being born in the wrong body resembles the extremist religious thinking he's rightly opposed to.

As for CV I'm sorry for her and agree with PPs that she's stuck in this now - it's personal for her and she cannot allow herself any doubts or debate when it's her child and she has chosen to affirm. Many people are like this - when GC people reasonably ask for evidence and rational explanations, they go on the attack because they cannot afford to debate it within themselves.

I'm more sorry for Rachel Rooney of course. She's in the right and has not stooped to attacking people. She's suffering hugely for standing up to be counted. CV's situation doesn't justify her behaviour but of course bullying is fine if it's only terfs eh Philip Hmm

littlbrowndog · 07/12/2020 11:35

Oh yes I did say it was from Twitter on my first post just couldn’t remember who it was as was a cut and paste.

Another year orv2 on here my training ground then i will be writing stuff like that 😎😎

DaisiesandButtercups · 07/12/2020 11:13

I am also blocked again despite never having had any interaction with her and not being very active on Twitter.

Rachel Rooney has suggested that CV might block anyone who follows Women’s Place UK. They have over 40, 000 followers now so quite a lot of people to block...

She obviously feels very strongly that women should keep quiet and know our place and not ask for safe spaces or to be involved in any decision which impacts us if it is true that she automatically blocks WPUK followers.

nauticant · 07/12/2020 10:57

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. We've removed this one as it quotes a previously deleted post.

AvocadoBathroom · 07/12/2020 10:15

Pullman is just getting creepier by the day.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 07/12/2020 10:13

Same Turn. I barely like or comment, just use it to keep up with news mostly. Must be to do with who I'm following.

OP posts:
TheTurnOfTheScrew · 07/12/2020 10:02

thanks for summarising the issue on this thread. I couldn't see it, because I too am blocked by CV, despite the fact that I have never, ever tweeted. Not one tweet.

I have an account to follow around a hundred people who are interesting to me, just two of whom are gender critical. Heck, I even follow CV's mum. Am genuinely shocked at the extreme level of blocking.

KiposWonderbeasts · 07/12/2020 09:49

I’m on CV’s block list too, despite no interaction with her. Not that I’m missing much.

Thanks for the link, I’ve bought 2 copies.

Jessica Alhberg, daughter of the wonderful Alan and Janet, did the illustrations. She’s from children’s book Royalty, as is CV as Shirley Hughes’s daughter.

I notice CV isn’t targeting her. Just the special needs teacher with no power or influence.

Rachel Rooney said earlier this year she’d given up being a children’s author and going into schools because of this.