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Urgent action for those in Scotland

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SusanSmithFWS · 05/12/2020 18:58

The amazing Johann Lamont has put in an amendment to the forensic medical services bill. This is a really important piece of legislation which seeks to make the process easier for rape victims and we support it. We are concerned, however, that although the women who testified that access to a female examiner was the most important concern, the bill still refers to the gender - instead of sex - of the examiner.

Sex, unlike gender, is defined in the Equality Act and there is provision for recruitment under schedule 9. We believe that a small change will ensure that there is no ambiguity.

We would urge anyone from Scotland to please write to all eight of their MSPs and ask them to support the motion.

As Susan Dalgety reported in the Scotsman:
Her amendment may be only six words long – “for the word ‘gender’ substitute ‘sex’” – but it gets to the heart of the current debate about who counts as a woman.

“Women should be able to choose the sex of the person who conducts the investigation,” Johann told me last night. “This is a key test for the Parliament, which is committed to rooting action in the understanding of experience. Women courageously and powerfully spoke up so that others might fare better than them.

“The amendment is tiny but would be a huge step in listening to survivors. The committee was convinced. The Parliament should be too.”

Six words can make a world of difference.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-debate-msps-must-stand-womens-sex-based-rights-key-vote-bill-help-rape-victims-susan-dalgety-3057640

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marvellousnightforamooncup · 10/12/2020 17:52

Such a relief. Is the tide possibly beginning to turn?

Dogman · 10/12/2020 17:52

I’m not even in Scotland and my eyes welled up when I read that. Wow. One word and one woman can make such a difference.

Glitterypants · 10/12/2020 17:52

That is excellent!

Now, onto the next of the many, many ways some of the SNP and Greens are attempting to eradicate women's rights and dignity in Scotland. No rest for the wicked!

As for Rape Crisis Scotland, seriously, I hope they gave a debrief with someone senior.

How dare the Greens accuse people voting in favour of those of doing so for other reasons, when it's them that are doing so.

thereplycamefromanchorage · 10/12/2020 17:51

Amazing! I do hope all those emails MSPs have received on this subject might make them reflect on how the electorate feels about attempts to remove women's sex based rights.

allmywhat · 10/12/2020 17:51

Yes 113 No 9 1 abstention

Wow. Were people able to vote their conscience instead of virtue signalling? There is no sane reason not to vote for it and every compassionate reason to do so, but since when have sanity and compassion ruled this debate? This is amazing.

Well done to everyone who wrote to their MSPs.

Sexnotgender · 10/12/2020 17:50

Fucking yes! So delighted ❤️❤️

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 17:49

Yes!

Lamont was amazing calling out the cowards who won’t speak up

Monica Lennon OTOH managing to centre penis even when talking about raped women Angry

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 17:49

I'm really really surprised by how overwhelming the vote was - I thought it was going to be really close!

ScoldsBridle · 10/12/2020 17:48

Thank goodness - Johann Lamont you are a true hero and that was a resoundingly encouraging result. I really hope the 9 who voted against are examining their consciences.

crumpet · 10/12/2020 17:48

Overwhelming result!!

334bu · 10/12/2020 17:47

Passed

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 17:46

So the amendu passed?

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:46

Sex, not gender.

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:46

Yes 113

No 9

1 abstention

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:45

God this is the longest minute in history

Glitterypants · 10/12/2020 17:45

My green MSP response says

'Making a single word change to the legislation about the request will not solve this problem, and appears to be motivated by views on other issues.'

How DARE he!

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:44

and me

ScoldsBridle · 10/12/2020 17:43

Holding my breath...

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:40

Lamont says amendment will make a difference,

'forgive me if I centre survivors'

'these people are not responsible for what people say on Twitter'

Ooh, she is blistering.

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:38

Lamont now summing up - calling out people who are not speaking up or raising concerns

Hahaha - Libdem stands up to protest, but Lamont says thanks, she wasn't talking about him Smile

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:36

She's talking about the Equality Act and specific exemptions

established rights of women to request a female examiner

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:35

Harper expects the amendment to be passed.

Good point - notes that women already have the right to express their preference.

Now summing up - don't know this woman's name - the reality is that changing the wording changes nothing about how forensic services are delivered.

Trauma-informed care - health boards must seek to avoid re-traumatisation

number of females has dramatically increased

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 17:34

FFS if it changes nothing just change it!

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:32

Roughly, Molly.

He's done it before. See the article posted.

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 17:31

Ooh, is Andy going to counter the Green stance?

Ah, he's concerned at the tone of debate.

Voting against. Coward.

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