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Urgent action for those in Scotland

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SusanSmithFWS · 05/12/2020 18:58

The amazing Johann Lamont has put in an amendment to the forensic medical services bill. This is a really important piece of legislation which seeks to make the process easier for rape victims and we support it. We are concerned, however, that although the women who testified that access to a female examiner was the most important concern, the bill still refers to the gender - instead of sex - of the examiner.

Sex, unlike gender, is defined in the Equality Act and there is provision for recruitment under schedule 9. We believe that a small change will ensure that there is no ambiguity.

We would urge anyone from Scotland to please write to all eight of their MSPs and ask them to support the motion.

As Susan Dalgety reported in the Scotsman:
Her amendment may be only six words long – “for the word ‘gender’ substitute ‘sex’” – but it gets to the heart of the current debate about who counts as a woman.

“Women should be able to choose the sex of the person who conducts the investigation,” Johann told me last night. “This is a key test for the Parliament, which is committed to rooting action in the understanding of experience. Women courageously and powerfully spoke up so that others might fare better than them.

“The amendment is tiny but would be a huge step in listening to survivors. The committee was convinced. The Parliament should be too.”

Six words can make a world of difference.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-debate-msps-must-stand-womens-sex-based-rights-key-vote-bill-help-rape-victims-susan-dalgety-3057640

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/12/2020 13:33

@Dances

I have had a reply from my MSP saying that the Scottish Conservatives are going to support Johann Lamont's amendment to the Bill to change gender to sex
If the SNP vote against the amendment they are going to look really bad for the next election...
Dances · 08/12/2020 13:31

I have had a reply from my MSP saying that the Scottish Conservatives are going to support Johann Lamont's amendment to the Bill to change gender to sex

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 08/12/2020 13:20

"not immediately convinced there is legislative ambiguity" and they’d like as much ambiguity as possible Hmm

Not a single reply here but still time for others to email Grin

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/12/2020 13:07

Apparently in their report the Scottish government claim they are "not immediately convinced there is legislative ambiguity"

But if that is the case the use of sex instead would also not cause legislative ambiguity, and would also mean they get all of these people off their back. There is no reason for them not to use sex.

ArabellaScott · 08/12/2020 12:28

Is it all just careerism and fuck the electorate?

It certainly looks that way.

Morechocolateneeded · 08/12/2020 12:18

I've had 2 positive replies. Sadly, that suggests that the others will not be supporting the amendment. In which case there are a lot of fuckers in the Scottish Parliament. Does nobody go into politics to do the right thing anymore? Is it all just careerism and fuck the electorate?

Motherhubbardinthecellar · 08/12/2020 12:08

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NonnyMouse1337 · 08/12/2020 12:02

Can anyone explain why the ScotGov doesn't want to amend gender to sex in the bill?

Apparently in their report the Scottish government claim they are "not immediately convinced there is legislative ambiguity". 🙄

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/12/2020 11:52

Another bump. I've only just sent mine Blush. I also used WriteToThem, just remember you'll need to use it twice, once for constituency MSP, and once for regional MSPs.

Can anyone explain why the ScotGov doesn't want to amend gender to sex in the bill?

ChristmasSlayRide · 08/12/2020 10:11

Willie Coffey send an acknowledgement email from a caseworker but nothing further yet.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 08/12/2020 09:16

postie we possibly have the same MSPs, I got the same responses.

Galvantula · 08/12/2020 08:24

Jings I have had a reply already from an MSP (Labour) who is supporting the amendment. :)

Motherhubbardinthecellar · 08/12/2020 07:51

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PostieModern · 07/12/2020 22:37

E-mails sent this morning. One positive reply (from a Conservative) and one reply from an MSP's saying that she is in hospital for planned surgery

EachDubh · 07/12/2020 22:27

Emails sent, doubt I will get a response or that they will bother to vote for the amendment.

Galvantula · 07/12/2020 22:03

Done. Most of mine probably fuds too.

Hope they get plenty of encouragement to support this. 👍

TheShadowyFeminist · 07/12/2020 21:14

"I usually don't bother emailing the fudmeister but I thought I'd see what happens this time...."

My sentiments too. 👍

Morechocolateneeded · 07/12/2020 20:47

I got one response - saying that they would support the amendment. Silence from the others.

SassenachsWhaHae · 07/12/2020 20:46

I've emailed all of mine. Mostly Conservatives with a sprinkling of Green, Labour, and Lib Dem - no SNP.

terryleather · 07/12/2020 20:31

@TheShadowyFeminist

I've got the fudmeister too 😁

I have fired off emails to all, and I am patiently awaiting responses.

Judging by previous emails there will not be many replies - Johann was one of the notable exceptions.

I usually don't bother emailing the fudmeister but I thought I'd see what happens this time....Grin

PerkingFaintly · 07/12/2020 20:10

Thanks for this.

TheShadowyFeminist · 07/12/2020 20:09

I've got the fudmeister too 😁

I have fired off emails to all, and I am patiently awaiting responses.

ArabellaScott · 07/12/2020 20:08

Fudmeister.

Grin
terryleather · 07/12/2020 18:54

Done - including to the fudmeister Patrick Harvie Grin

However I do have Johann as another of my MSPs so maybe she balances him out...

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 07/12/2020 17:19

Lots of lovely emails! Up again