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Urgent action for those in Scotland

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SusanSmithFWS · 05/12/2020 18:58

The amazing Johann Lamont has put in an amendment to the forensic medical services bill. This is a really important piece of legislation which seeks to make the process easier for rape victims and we support it. We are concerned, however, that although the women who testified that access to a female examiner was the most important concern, the bill still refers to the gender - instead of sex - of the examiner.

Sex, unlike gender, is defined in the Equality Act and there is provision for recruitment under schedule 9. We believe that a small change will ensure that there is no ambiguity.

We would urge anyone from Scotland to please write to all eight of their MSPs and ask them to support the motion.

As Susan Dalgety reported in the Scotsman:
Her amendment may be only six words long – “for the word ‘gender’ substitute ‘sex’” – but it gets to the heart of the current debate about who counts as a woman.

“Women should be able to choose the sex of the person who conducts the investigation,” Johann told me last night. “This is a key test for the Parliament, which is committed to rooting action in the understanding of experience. Women courageously and powerfully spoke up so that others might fare better than them.

“The amendment is tiny but would be a huge step in listening to survivors. The committee was convinced. The Parliament should be too.”

Six words can make a world of difference.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/transgender-debate-msps-must-stand-womens-sex-based-rights-key-vote-bill-help-rape-victims-susan-dalgety-3057640

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 15:04

Just a heads up, the debate is scheduled to begin at 1625, and can be viewed here.

www.scottishparliament.tv/channel/the-debating-chamber

GrouchyKiwi · 10/12/2020 14:58

Given the news that the Greens have been whipped to vote against the amendment, should I be pleased that one of the Green MSPs for my region is in hospital and won't attend the vote, or does Holyrood do proxy voting?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2020 14:53

Given the number of no - replies...

Are MSPs to busy to reply, or are their emails being gatekeeped by woke assistants. I'd really hope the latter is not a possibility, but I fear that it is.

GrouchyKiwi · 10/12/2020 14:52

Have just had a reply from my SNP Constituency MSP, who says "I would like to assure you that I have read your comments and taken them on board, and I will keep these in mind in relation to this amendment ahead of the debate."

So very politic and who knows what he'll do.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 14:42

Ooh (I wouldn’t have been surprised to read the reverse) In there an outbreak of sense in Labour or are they just scenting blood in the SNP water ?

Sexnotgender · 10/12/2020 14:37

[quote Galvantula]@Sexnotgender as in whipped to support Johann's amendment?

(sorry if I am being dense)[/quote]
YesSmile

Galvantula · 10/12/2020 13:52

@Sexnotgender as in whipped to support Johann's amendment?

(sorry if I am being dense)

Glitterypants · 10/12/2020 13:09

I've had 4 positive, 2 labour 2 conservative. Haven't heard back from SNP or Green which is probably just as well, the mood I'm in... How can they not see the deep misogyny behind this? How can the women in the party facilitate this? And how can Rape Crisis sleep soundly? Wtf are they thinking?

Anyway, Jenny Marra is awesome. I knew her a bit in real life before she was a politician and she was so smart and switched on a really kind. Shame the electorate is going to lose her when she stands down, but understandable from her perspective.

Sexnotgender · 10/12/2020 13:03

@Galvantula

That's pants littlbrowndog. Most of the Labour replies seemed to be supportive to Johann so far. :(
I was told labour has been whipped.
Galvantula · 10/12/2020 13:01

That's pants littlbrowndog. Most of the Labour replies seemed to be supportive to Johann so far. :(

littlbrowndog · 10/12/2020 12:55

I got a labour no.

SNP

littlbrowndog · 10/12/2020 12:54

Greens in Scotland. Back their leader sturgeon

Sexnotgender · 10/12/2020 12:38

No I’m not at all surprised. Misogynistic arseholes the lot of them.

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 12:22

Well, that's the last time I'll consider voting Green, then. Damn it.

morningtoncrescent62 · 10/12/2020 12:20

I agree, disappointing but unsurprising from the Greens.

Meanwhile I'm tuning in to First Minister's questions. Jenny Marra (Labour) is due to ask a question about puberty blockers in Scotland following the Keira Bell judgement.

terryleather · 10/12/2020 12:11

@Sexnotgender

The greens have ordered all their MSPs to vote against. Cunts.
Disappointing but utterly unsurprising - would expect no less from the fudmeister's party.
Sexnotgender · 10/12/2020 12:04

The greens have ordered all their MSPs to vote against. Cunts.

AndreiaNobre · 10/12/2020 12:02

@Galvantula Thanks your username is not strange to me, we follow each other on Twitter or we talked before here! If you do get it I hope you have as much fun reading it as I had writing it! xx

Galvantula · 10/12/2020 11:26

@AndreiaNobre I was just looking at your book the other day :)

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 10:53

Just had an affirmative from another Labour MSP

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ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 09:49

Ah, I forgot, the Forth Valley Rape Crisis Centre of course has a male manager presenting as a female.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 10/12/2020 09:45

I assume it’s the Fife effect influencing rape crisis - whatever their reason they’re not fit for purpose

ArabellaScott · 10/12/2020 09:36

I am astounded by Rape Crisis' actions here. I understand the need for more female examiners, but if the word makes so little difference why on earth do they seem to be insisting it should be 'gender'?

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