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Jo Maugham

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GoodbyePorpoiseSpit · 04/12/2020 20:51

I follow Jo on Twitter and feel that the GoodLaw project is a needed and good thing when it comes to holding ministers/gov spending to account. He seems to take refuge in the rule of law and facts .... so, so WHY after the recent ruling on puberty blockers is he tweeting and retweeting Trans folk who are sharing (in emotive and extra detail) their experience post ruling. What his deal?? What’s his skin in the game? Looked through some old tweets and he really seems to have come down hard against women’s rights.
Ca anyone explain his deal here?

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PlantMam · 18/12/2020 17:40

@Ereshkigalangcleg

He hasn’t read the room.

Just like he didn't last Boxing Day.

I’m calling it ‘Foxing Day’ from now on in honour of Jolly.
Manderleyagain · 18/12/2020 17:32

I think this issue must be close to him. I have seen twitter gossip that it is. I think really he should pass this campaign to someone else because the things he is saying about it are rather undermining to glp. I don't actually know that anyone else is involved to hand it to though. Is it a one man band like pp asks?

It's surprising how many lawyers are blocked by him on twitter. Lots of male ones too. People he might actually meet in professional life. Very strange behaviour.

RealityNotEssentialism · 18/12/2020 17:11

Lol, yes that backfired. I think it’s probably likely that one of his children identifies as trans, or maybe a niece or nephew. He’s way too emotionally involved in the case and his comments about how the judges undermined parental authority suggests that he has serious skin in the game. It also explains the gigantic volte-face from an initially GC position in 2018. I have sympathy with him there (must be completely horrendous to have a child going through that) but he’s making a public laughing stock out of himself and clearly isn’t thinking rationally.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/12/2020 16:50

He hasn’t read the room.

Just like he didn't last Boxing Day.

RealityNotEssentialism · 18/12/2020 16:42

@SophocIestheFox

I expect he assumes that the demographic who loved him for Brexit will be the same people as will love him for this, because he’s fallen in to that classic lefty trap of “all right thinking people ought to believe this”, which is a trap I’ve come to see I’ve fallen into myself in the past. He believes that those who oppose him are knuckle dragging homophobes and EDL types who’ve never been over the village bridge.

He hasn’t read the room.

I think 99% of his lawyer colleagues are calling him out for being a total doofus and laughing at him. I wonder if the penny is starting to drop that he’s got this one wrong or whether the support of a load of anime avitars is still keeping him going in his belief that he’s on the right side of history.
HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 18/12/2020 16:40

These tweets are a useful guide to how JM views himself:

"I'm sorry-not-sorry for continuing to tweet out @Okwonga's piece (that I regret I missed when he published it in June). But the point he makes - that it's not enough to think yourself good, as though your very presence on this earth were enough - could not resonate with me more."

twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1339282084339331072?s=21

nauticant · 18/12/2020 16:30

Having posted above I wondered about Maugham the superhero so I had a quick search on twitter and was struck by how often you can find tweeting about him being a "superhero".

SophocIestheFox · 18/12/2020 16:23

I expect he assumes that the demographic who loved him for Brexit will be the same people as will love him for this, because he’s fallen in to that classic lefty trap of “all right thinking people ought to believe this”, which is a trap I’ve come to see I’ve fallen into myself in the past. He believes that those who oppose him are knuckle dragging homophobes and EDL types who’ve never been over the village bridge.

He hasn’t read the room.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/12/2020 16:06

because he's loved by a load of trans activists that must mean he's on the right side of history.

It works for Owen Jones.

nauticant · 18/12/2020 15:59

I think Maugham is foreseeing the end of the road for his Brexit campaigning and was thrilled to find another cause. Over Brexit he ended up as Marmite with loads of people hating his interventions while loads viewed him as a legal superhero. But for his purposes he only needs the right-thinking on his side.

Maybe he's applying a similar template now: because he's loved by a load of trans activists that must mean he's on the right side of history. Perhaps the reasoning goes that if he thinks he's right, then he must be, after all, that worked perfectly for Brexit. The deluded bit comes from him doing this without weighing up the arguments on each side, and not stopping and having a look at some of the people cheering him on.

PotholeParadies · 18/12/2020 15:00

Could be. I was inclined to think the position he's taking is sincere, because I don't think you'd knowingly deepsix your reputation like that.

Even in the case of Charlie Gard, people were rejecting the idea that a court could order palliative care. It was a preservation of life position.

They weren't rejecting the role of courts in intervening against child abuse, etc. In my opinion, only those very ideologically invested and focused on the trans debate only and people who don't believe in children's rights , would see that tweet without going "WTF?" and they're donating to the crowdfunder already.

You don't really need to be up on Gillick competence to see the issues with his tweet. Just a subscription to Take a Break might make his tweet seem equally irresponsible!

SadlyMissTaken · 18/12/2020 14:21

It's possible he is aware but is rabble rousing for money (via the crowdfunder)

PotholeParadies · 18/12/2020 14:13

Is the GLP basically a one-man band?

I would have thought that finding another UK lawyer unaware of child abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions, Charlie Gard, the sad case of the conjoined twins, and so on would be quite difficult?

In A-level law, we covered why medical staff might make appeals to a court for a child against the wishes of the parents.

RoyalCorgi · 18/12/2020 14:07

'Staggering ignorance" according to a government advisor.

And, interestingly, someone who used to be a Labour MP.

RedToothBrush · 18/12/2020 13:01

Maugham is priviledged enough not to understand nor even think about how parents don't always act in the best interests of their kids. That says a huge amount about his life and his narrow view of the world especially when he works in law.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/12/2020 12:53

Marina Wheeler is Boris Johnson's ex-wife as well. Not on good terms with him, but it's just possible that she or one of their children might get him to look at this issue.

MoltenLasagne · 18/12/2020 00:03

@WeeBisom

It’s worth repeating that in the past Maugham has said that areas of law like family and crime are not “prestigious”. He then got into a twitter fight (of course) with women , arguing there is no negative value judgment in calling an area of law less prestigious. So he probably looks down on areas like family and reckons he’s smart enough to just discuss it from first principles. Unfortunately he’s showing his ignorance.
I'm a complete layperson when it comes to the law, I have no knowledge beyond reading newspapers, even I knew straight away that the position was illogical and against Gillick competence. I know lawyers have niches but I'd expect them to have at least some consistency with what they were talking about the prior week!
Datun · 17/12/2020 23:40

@WeeBisom

It’s worth repeating that in the past Maugham has said that areas of law like family and crime are not “prestigious”. He then got into a twitter fight (of course) with women , arguing there is no negative value judgment in calling an area of law less prestigious. So he probably looks down on areas like family and reckons he’s smart enough to just discuss it from first principles. Unfortunately he’s showing his ignorance.
'Staggering ignorance" according to a government advisor.
WeeBisom · 17/12/2020 22:25

It’s worth repeating that in the past Maugham has said that areas of law like family and crime are not “prestigious”. He then got into a twitter fight (of course) with women , arguing there is no negative value judgment in calling an area of law less prestigious. So he probably looks down on areas like family and reckons he’s smart enough to just discuss it from first principles. Unfortunately he’s showing his ignorance.

Highwind · 17/12/2020 22:05

@teawamutu

Interesting response here from an advisor to the government.
That there is some polite speak for “I am absolutely astounded and appalled by the level of stupidity displayed by this individual”

I love it!

teawamutu · 17/12/2020 21:47

Interesting response here from an advisor to the government.

Jo Maugham
GAHgamel · 17/12/2020 21:32

@PotholeParadies

So, remind me again who it was who was going to destroy girls' rights to access contraception without their parents' permission?
Given he was going on earlier about how the case undermines the concept of Gillick Competence, has anyone pointed out to him yet where that comes from?
ghislaine · 17/12/2020 21:14

@WiltingAtTreadmills

The tweet is still there.
Sorry, my mistake. I confused his personal Twitter with his work one.
RealityNotEssentialism · 17/12/2020 20:54

Precisely. I don’t understand how he’s too thick to understand how wrong it is to give free rein to parents to consent on their child’s behalf and also to fail to grasp that the court has an overriding duty to safeguard welfare that extends to making decisions about medical treatment that may conflict with the parents’ view. I mean in the conjoined twins case, the parents objected to separation but the court ruled it should go ahead. There are cases where Jehovah’s Witnesses have wanted to stop their kids having blood transfusion and the court has said no. In the Charlie Gard case, the courts ruled that Charlie should receive only palliative care, despite his parents’ wishes to take him abroad. The idea that the Bell case is the first time judges have ruled on medical matters and overridden parental wishes is ridiculous. He thinks he’s making these really clever points but is just coming across as an uninformed arse.

Clymene · 17/12/2020 20:41

Hundreds of children are taken into care because their parents' idea of their best interests is actually abusive.