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Jo Maugham

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GoodbyePorpoiseSpit · 04/12/2020 20:51

I follow Jo on Twitter and feel that the GoodLaw project is a needed and good thing when it comes to holding ministers/gov spending to account. He seems to take refuge in the rule of law and facts .... so, so WHY after the recent ruling on puberty blockers is he tweeting and retweeting Trans folk who are sharing (in emotive and extra detail) their experience post ruling. What his deal?? What’s his skin in the game? Looked through some old tweets and he really seems to have come down hard against women’s rights.
Ca anyone explain his deal here?

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Manderleyagain · 11/12/2020 12:11

Do you think he consults anyone else before making proclamations on behalf of good law project? Is it basically his own organisation? I always got the impression there were a few people behind it, but could be wrong. If I was in some way involved I would think it really petulant, unprofessional & foolish from a communications pov to say 'we are never ever speaking to the Times again, so there!'

MaudTheInvincible · 11/12/2020 12:11

Really? We're all wealthy, white and middle class?

Well if Jo says so it must be true

C0NNIE · 11/12/2020 12:10

Also, true intersectionalism would recognise that female rights fall through the gap when we pretend there is no such thing as sex or sex based oppression

YY. Why is he not harassing Black Lives Matter saying there’s no such thing as race / ethnicity and aren’t we all black anyway, it’s about thr feelz so let’s be inclusive?

I’m not a scientist but I’m pretty sure that race is a hell of a lot less binary and a whole lot more culturally defined than sex.

RedToothBrush · 11/12/2020 12:07

See the funny thing is with people at great pains to point out their class roots, is that it doesn't stop them now being Upper Middle Class now, and that in itself can be blinding to current class issues.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2020 12:05

He's a wealthy, middle-class (if not higher) middle-aged white "cis" man. Where's his privilege check?

Also, true intersectionalism would recognise that female rights fall through the gap when we pretend there is no such thing as sex or sex based oppression.

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sashagabadon · 11/12/2020 12:03

@merrymouse

His arguments are quite out of date I think and even I could debate his points back to him and point out the problems with his position quite easily and I am no great debater or particularly knowledgeable.

You are implying that there are some 'in date' arguments that are better.

I still think he must be close to somebody who is personally affected by this.

Well yes. The Keira Bell judgement for example is bang up to date and he seems to be on the opposite side of this?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2020 12:03

I think he’s hamming it up because he doesn’t actually believe in this shit at all. That’s why he’s being so OTT. He was against males on AWS two years ago and at his age, your views don’t instantly change because you read a Pink News article. He thinks this is his route to being a public hero and that’s why he is laying it on so thick. It’s pretty embarrassing to watch though.

I agree. I think he's having some sort of attention seeking mid life crisis.

WeeBisom · 11/12/2020 12:00

Today he's complaining that a "small but influential part of feminism has basically forgotten intersectionalism." I would so love to hear his explanation of what inter sectionalism means. He's also endorsing the view that the most influential 'anti trans' group is a "phalanx of wealthy, white, middle class cis women." Really? We're all wealthy, white and middle class?

merrymouse · 11/12/2020 11:58

His arguments are quite out of date I think and even I could debate his points back to him and point out the problems with his position quite easily and I am no great debater or particularly knowledgeable.

You are implying that there are some 'in date' arguments that are better.

I still think he must be close to somebody who is personally affected by this.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 11/12/2020 09:16

@FloraFox

He has the zeal of a convert. Overly conscious of his previous transgressions and making up for them.
Very well observed
sashagabadon · 11/12/2020 08:52

He does strike me as someone fairly new to the “debate” as he has not thought that deeply about it really unlike so many of the women here that have been thinking and talking and reading about this for a decade or longer. His arguments are quite out of date I think and even I could debate his points back to him and point out the problems with his position quite easily and I am no great debater or particularly knowledgeable.
I wouldn’t dream of doing this with tax as I am sure he has expertise in that.

FloraFox · 10/12/2020 23:18

He has the zeal of a convert. Overly conscious of his previous transgressions and making up for them.

RealityNotEssentialism · 10/12/2020 22:26

I think he’s hamming it up because he doesn’t actually believe in this shit at all. That’s why he’s being so OTT. He was against males on AWS two years ago and at his age, your views don’t instantly change because you read a Pink News article. He thinks this is his route to being a public hero and that’s why he is laying it on so thick. It’s pretty embarrassing to watch though.

Novina · 10/12/2020 20:34

Performing our values is very revealing. 'Living', or 'practising' our values would sound authentic. 'Performing' tells it like it is.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 10/12/2020 19:58

He's quite cross with the BBC too

RealityNotEssentialism · 10/12/2020 19:46

He also surely has an issue with the Guardian, the Telegraph, the Mail and pretty much all newspapers because all of them have at one point or another written something that he deems hateful and transphobic (and which normal people deem logical and rational).

SophocIestheFox · 10/12/2020 19:36

Anyone else wondering if the Times has something on him? Grin

That does seem like a pretty mad reaction for a fairly neutral article. But then he does get himself in a flap over not much. Emotional man, is Jo.

RealityNotEssentialism · 10/12/2020 19:35

@FannyCann

Screen shots for those not on twitter or blocked.
Snort. What a loser.
PotholeParadies · 10/12/2020 19:28

I'm sure the Times is happy to report on Maugham's activities whether he takes the offered opportunity to respond for comment or not.

He's really only given them free rein to report on them as they see fit.

BlackWaveComing · 10/12/2020 19:11

Cutting off nose to spite face.

This man is very tedious.

FannyCann · 10/12/2020 19:09

Discussing biological reality and reporting important court cases = hate apparently. Hmm

FannyCann · 10/12/2020 19:07

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HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 10/12/2020 18:23

"Performing our values", I wonder if they were asked to comment on Gender GP

DeaconBoo · 10/12/2020 18:20

Oh no, how will the Times ever figure out what JM thinks about things now?

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