Unbelievable projection from Jane Fae on puberty blockers

One good thing that this ruling has achieved is it has lifted the lid on a lot of stuff. As the arguments are exposed to sunlight, they go up in a puff of smoke.

I'm not giving it clicks, either.

But arguing for puberty blockers in kids, while spending your adult life campaigning to legalise extreme pornography and lowering the age of the participants?

I mean, apart from anything else, what on earth has the medication of children got to do with Jane Fae?

Salivating isa deeply disturbing word to use when talking about medicalising children. It casts Spack in an odd light. Like a mad scientist

I can't read that because Christine Burns MBE has blocked me on Twitter. I had the temerity to disagree about something once and we all know women who express opinions should be cast out.

[quote NonHypotheticalLurkingParent]No safeguarding needed, just being a trans child means you're so much more mature and exempt from such folly.

twitter.com/christineburns/status/1334808852299206656[/quote]
Disgusting. Complete lack of understanding of how different children are, and safeguarding as you said.

No safeguarding needed, just being a trans child means you're so much more mature and exempt from such folly.

twitter.com/christineburns/status/1334808852299206656

Ugh I don’t want to give it clicks.

Adults who don’t support consent, safeguarding, evidence based medicine for vulnerable kids (especially after the issues have been dispassionately examined by three judges in court) are not people that anyone else needs to take any lectures from.

In a similar vein, Norman Spack, one of the founding fathers of this pathway of medical harm, describes how he was “salivating” at the prospect of stopping puberty in children 🚩 🚩.

Dr. Spack recalled being at a meeting in Europe about 15 years ago, when he learned that the Dutch were using puberty blockers in transgender early adolescents.

“I was salivating,” he recalled. “I said we had to do this.”

www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/nyregion/transgender-minors-gender-reassignment-surgery.html?module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=N.Y.%20%2F%20Region&action=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

This is pertinent tweet.

We keep being told that kids have very thorough and vigourous counselling before being prescribed blockers and that blocers are almost impossible to access. Is that another lie? Do they care about the long term welfare of these kids at all?

Yes from what I remember the daughter failed her exams, then didn't gat the grades she needed for the uni course she wanted to go to and ended up on a completely different path than she had planned, and Fae though this was a positive thing!

That is who Fae is, that is what they are.

I know, the timing is so narcissistic.

Does remind me of this painful blog:

childrenoftransitioners.org/

One hopes that now not accepting new referrals, GIDS could supply some proper counselling and that that counselling would be supervised by psychologists outside that service.
Some parents will not doubt be mightily relieved and looking for support as they help their children into acceptance that there is no magic wand. Others will be being stirred up by these people and organisations doubling down

That A Level thing is absolutely appalling. That poor kid.

I think it’s very much in the interests of some groups for children to be distressed about the removal of puberty blockers.

A group who have spent years lobbying for children to be on blockers really doesn’t want anyone to come to the conclusion that blockers were never the right treatment in the first place.

And this person's view is valid because....?

They're seen. 👁

Anyway, stock markets show support for lupron now isn't especially huge:

If they had the support they needed to start with they probably wouldn't be on blockers in the first place

Indeed. I don't have much confidence they will get the support they need.

GIDS current patients are probably going to be let down very badly

Definitely. I mean it would be goodnof they started publically speaking out against all these idiots who are now online /doing interviews etc practically begging kids to start killing themselves. I mean the plan seems to be to emotionally blackmail everyone into reversing the judgement as opposed to presenting all this "evidence" that they claim there is but seemingly didn't present when they had the chance

You would hope that GIDS have a plan in place pdq for children already on blockers. But this is GIDS who have come across as pretty incompetent and irresponsible and I don't hold out much hope. GIDS current patients are probably going to be let down very badly.

So much for safe and reversible and being able to stop at any time....

Suddenly its all withdrawal issues like its heroin or something

Was never mentioned before when advocating ther safety....

The reliance on them us psychological not physical. This is what happens when you don't treat the mental side.

I don't know - they kind of have a point. I think we can all agree that the kids are the victim in all of this. They should never have been prescribed those experimental drugs, but I agree that they shouldn't be withdrawn without a care plan in place. These children have been told over and over, by the charities that are supposed to be in their corner, that the alternative to this treatment is suicide. I think they are going to need a lot of support and I would strongly back a push for appropriate care plans and provision of support at this time.

I didn't think the Independent was an actual newspaper anymore. It's just a series of opinion pieces isn't it? Is anyone actually overseeing what it spews out? Such a shame as I remember when it was launched it was new and exciting.

(Fortunately it seems to have got better now, I’ve had no problems getting mine the last couple of times)

The Independent really should have another look at how The Samaritans recommend newspapers discuss suicidality it’s so irresponsible.

Telling kids about a transition while they’re doing major exams seems to be a thing - Fae isn’t the only one to have done it that way.

Some people don’t like it when either the attention is focussed on someone else or when person isn’t focussing on them. You’d hope that parents wouldn’t do that to their children but there is evidence of that here and on the relationship boards all the time.