Unbelievable projection from Jane Fae on puberty blockers

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Mobile phones springs to mind if anyone really wants to go down that conspiracy rabbit hole. 😁

Telegraph article, no access personally. headline says it all:

www.telegraph.co.uk/education-and-careers/2020/12/04/light-keira-bell-case-schools-need-look-approach-transgender/

Yup. Agree with all that! Plus, if gender dysphoria is the result of prenatal exposure to hormones - the mothers', presumably? - how does catalogue account for the 5000% increase in teenage girls experiencing it? What was happening to pregnant women 10-20 years ago that had never happened before? Is it the internet?! 😳 Or what?

The sooner this is worked into official safeguarding training scenarios, the better.

There was a piece in the telegraph rightly examining the implications for schools in how they approach both the teaching and logistics of toilets and changing rooms etc yesterday.

But when you discover that something awful and illegal is happening to children, you don't carry on with it because it would upset the children if you stop. You deal with the fact that it should never have been bloody allowed to happen in the first place and then you help those affected to pick up the pieces.

Michelle absolutely right.

As each layer is pulled off, examined, and rejected, the next layer comes up to take its place. And very quickly, we're getting to the crux of it.

But you’re completely overlooking the possibility that there are biological aspects influencing gender dysphoria. You might not accept that prenatal hormones can influence brain development. But brain tissue is sensitive to sex hormones, including (particularly?) during development. It is possible that can affect psychosexual development.

How can prenatal hormones make someone think they're female, targeting a very specific, very precise thought process, but, in every single part of their anatomy, entire DNA, and every cell of their body make them male?

Apart from anything else, your reproductive biological potential, is what makes you male or female. That's all it is. A description of reproductive biology. It's not a description of a thought process.

Secondly, it's physically impossible to make somebody into the opposite sex. However they think, whatever underlying reason you might think has caused it. Cutting off body parts, inducing simulations of others, and fashioning bits of skin into something that might resemble a body part, doesn't achieve a 'sex change'.

It might be biological/ physical combined with cultural. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

And none of that is basis for policy, practice or law.

This was a court case to look at hard evidence and to impartially decide upon it. That's what law should be based on.

You really have to wonder at the self awareness of those public figures vigorously disagreeing with this judgement. They couldn't be making it clearer that no one's rights or ethics or law or anything should get in the way of the outcomes they want.

It couldn't be a stronger demonstration of why those with skin in the game should absolutely not be making decisions for other groups, particularly children, nor be permitted involvement or influence over those making such decisions.

Currently, the diagnosis for gender dysphoria is not based on a physical cause. Going by that, no child should have any medical intervention, at all.

I'd be more convinced, if the children who claim to have an opposite sex identity didn't entirely rely on stereotypes to describe it.

Or adults, for that matter.

I have asked, over and over, for adult males to describe what it is about themselves that they believe is female, and I've never had an answer that wasn't a stereotype.

We've had because I aspire to be passive and submissive, because I'm girly, because I like romcoms, because I like bright colours, because it makes me feel 'vibrant' and lately, because I wanted to be one of the 'mean girls' portrayed in a fictitious Hollywood movie. In some cases, because I hate toxic masculinity/don't feel masculine.

The definition of a woman is not a man who doesn't feel masculine.

Apparently Fae, like Mermaids, with no medical or legal training whatsoever (just one heck of a lot of personal skin in the game) feels they know better than the court and the Tavistock who provided all the evidence for this for impartial legal fact finding and evaluation.

Yes, it's shocking that rather than grandfather clausing PBs, or even giving time to the Tavistock to do this carefully, the judge felt the situation was serious enough (and so apparently did the NHS) that every child on blockers will need to have a court judgement on whether they can continue them. It says a great deal to anyone with a brain and care for children that a judge weighed up the evidence, considered the best interests of the children and chose this route.

Yes, this is going to cause immense distress and alarm to those poor kids, not least because of the distorted and hyperbolic/dramatized information some adults have chosen to whip up around them for their own personal agendas. Tavistock, one hopes, will deal with this a lot more responsibly than they've dealt with the situation that got these children into this awful position in the first place.

But when you discover that something awful and illegal is happening to children, you don't carry on with it because it would upset the children if you stop. You deal with the fact that it should never have been bloody allowed to happen in the first place and then you help those affected to pick up the pieces.

All this drama and feelings does not change the law: it was not even relevant enough to be part of the case. It does not make a wrong thing right. Being Very Upset does not overthrow a 'no'.

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The DSM-5 defines gender dysphoria in children as a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, lasting at least 6 months, as manifested by at least six of the following (one of which must be the first criterion):

• A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• In boys (assigned gender), a strong preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong preference for wearing only typical masculine clothing and a strong resistance to the wearing of typical feminine clothing
• A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play
• A strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender
• A strong preference for playmates of the other gender
• In boys (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically masculine toys, games, and activities and a strong avoidance of rough-and-tumble play; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically feminine toys, games, and activities
• A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy
• A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one’s experienced gender

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So it's based mainly on stereotypes apart from the first point and the last two.

The first point about desire to be or insistence that a child is the other sex - what is this likely to be based on in a child's mind? Stereotypes again, surely.

And the last two - why would a child hate their 'sexual anatomy'? Investigating whether they had experienced trauma or abuse should be first on the list here.

We need something better than stereotypes as a basis for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria in children. And we also need a good reason for a physical intervention for a psychological condition, especially when that physical intervention will affect that child for the rest of their life.

Pretty sure the menopause is 100% biological and despite my love of action movies, not wearing makeup and using power tools, I don't seem to have avoided it.

But yes agree every other avenue should be explored first.

Tackling the underlying reasons why someone wants to opt out of their sex is the issue. Complete failure to do that, might be a premise for medical transition. But until every other avenue is explored, in my opinion, it shouldn't happen.

But you’re completely overlooking the possibility that there are biological aspects influencing gender dysphoria. You might not accept that prenatal hormones can influence brain development. But brain tissue is sensitive to sex hormones, including (particularly?) during development. It is possible that can affect psychosexual development.

We might never know 100% for sure because you can’t really look inside someone’s brain and see identity and sexuality. It might be biological/ physical combined with cultural. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I will only ever be convinced that you need to medically transition a child if an actual physical condition is identified.

Tackling the underlying reasons why someone wants to opt out of their sex is the issue. Complete failure to do that, might be a premise for medical transition. But until every other avenue is explored, in my opinion, it shouldn't happen.

It's not a cure for anything.

Trans ideology should certainly not be taught in schools and teenage peer pressure needs to be removed online.

Some parents will not doubt be mightily relieved and looking for support as they help their children into acceptance that there is no magic wand.

Ok. But remember about 20% probably won’t accept their natal sex. That’s not insignificant. Don’t completely raise false hope amongst these families we need to stay balanced.

Every person and case is different. Parents have to prepare themselves for any eventuality. We don’t know for sure the final trajectories for everyone and some people still need medical transition eventually. Hopefully not the majority.

That CB thread rings alarm bells, you could make that argument in defence of all sorts of things that would be terrible for children. It has been used to do just that.

What happened to "First do no harm,"? The Bell & Mrs A judgement happened, that's what!

As a ADULT WOMAN on HRT, my biggest concern has been the shortages of that drug which have meant it's often been hard to get hold of. And yet TRAs haven't spent any time lobbying for this situation to be resolved. Presumably because grey hair, wrinkles, hot flushes and the invisibility cloak of age aren't, well, glamorous enough.