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Article today about p**nhub

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PotholeParadies · 04/12/2020 16:49

Warning, contains distressing information.

Very long, but it's long because every word matters.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html#click=t.co/bUgBiiFrYH" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html#click=t.co/bUgBiiFrYH

Some extracts
While Pornhub would not tell me how many moderators it employs, I interviewed one who said that there are about 80 worldwide who work on Mindgeek sites (by comparison, Facebook told me it has 15,000 moderators). With1.36 million new hours of videouploaded a year to Pornhub, that means that each moderator would have to review hundreds of hours of content each week.

The moderators fast forward through videos, but it’s often difficult to assess whether a person is 14 or 18, or whether torture is real or fake. Most of the underage content involves teenagers, the moderator I spoke with said, but some comes from spy cams in toilets or changing rooms and show children only 8 to 12.

“The job in itself is soul-destroying,” the moderator said.

[...]

And call me a prude, but I don’t see why search engines, banks or credit card companies should bolster a company that monetizes sexual assaults on children or unconscious women. If PayPal can suspend cooperation with Pornhub, so can American Express, Mastercard and Visa.

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HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 04/12/2020 18:17

This isn't sex education by any stretch of the imagination. Meanwhile there's a whole generation of teenage girls watching the objectification and exploitation of women being endorsed by kid's charities.

WeeBisom · 04/12/2020 18:15

Also that video while trying to be all funny and irreverent was just sad. He actually says at one point that porn is a good distraction from how weird you look when you have sex. Oh, great , let’s mindlessly consume this media and dissociate so we’re not fully in the present moment and actually experiencing what we’re doing because sex is totes awkward. That’s really healthy. If someone said to me “cooking shows are fun because they distract you from how weird you look stuffing food into you’re face” I’d think they had mental problems.

I also dislike this automatic idea that sex isn’t “real”. It’s just a “performance”. Ok , but the sex isn’t simulated. People are actually having sex. Women’s bodies are actually being used in these various ways. It would be like if I said boxing wasn’t “really” people beating the crap out of each other but was just a performance.

DaisiesandButtercups · 04/12/2020 18:03

What age is that video aimed at I wonder?

I wouldn’t choose to show it to my secondary age children. I am surprised that childline were involved although now it seems so many charities are pushing sexual education of a sort that in the not so distant past people in long term relationships might have sought out to spice up a long term relationship in middle age.

There seems to be an implication that pornography is fine and fun and a normal part of life...

I do hope that there are some boys out there who grow up free from this and some men that don’t use it.

The comment that using your imagination is hard work so it is great that porn exists instead. Sad

We were so lucky in the days before the internet to be free to develop our imaginations and discover things without that influence and pressure. Although there were others as mentioned on a previous thread page 3, Bond girls, benny hill and general objectification and humiliation of women. Children were mostly protected from the truly explicit and most of what is now promoted as normal and expected was considered completely beyond the pale.

I wonder how many girls will be put off sex completely, finding that it is painful, hard work and that they are constantly judged on their performance and technique. Where is the pleasure for girls, will they ever experience sex as nurturing, relaxing, affectionate and part of bonding with their chosen partner?

Perhaps there will be a sudden explosion of girls discovering a vocation as a Buddhist or Catholic nun or celebrating empowered celibacy.

WeeBisom · 04/12/2020 17:58

One thing that slightly bugs me is people can see how messed up porn hub is when it comes to exploitative videos of children , but we are also supposed to accept that the moment someone becomes 18 it’s all totally fine and their choice. Porn hub is damaging to women and girls across the board .

Thelnebriati · 04/12/2020 17:55

Teaching people to disassociate from the distress of the girl or woman they are watching, or worse to get off on it, should be a concern. WTF are Childline thinking?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/12/2020 17:53

Why do they even allow all those search terms? It should be impossible to search in ways that are meant to elicit ‘underage’ sex even if some of it is really older actors made to look young.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 04/12/2020 17:49

Just makes me even angrier at this video I saw earlier today - made in partnership with Childline, no less

WTAF?

itsor · 04/12/2020 17:30

When you're so mad you don't even include the link you're referring to, doh:

itsor · 04/12/2020 17:30

Everyone should read that article. Pornhub (and the other sites) should be held to account.

Just makes me even angrier at this video I saw earlier today - made in partnership with Childline, no less - that talks to kids about how fun porn is as long as you just remember that it's not real! ...Except often it is real. Real rape. Real tears. Real injuries. Real lives being really ruined. I can't believe how much these sites get away with and how it's seen as perfectly fine and normal for a 12 year old to watch (to take an example from the article of the kind of video PornHub thinks is perfectly fine content) videos of women being asyphixated with plastic bags.

DrDavidBanner · 04/12/2020 17:06

Not read it yet but, bloody hell, I could not be a moderator for any of these sites it must be very traumatic. I wonder if the sites offer counselling for their staff?

Gncq · 04/12/2020 16:58

Well the argument is that "This Never Happens" because all men are completely trustworthy wrt what they film upload and download and if there's any abuse it's because the woman or child asked for it it's their own fault, look over there, shouldn't have been on their own outside anyway.

PotholeParadies · 04/12/2020 16:56

Wise. It's a hard, damning read.

Bit of a cliché but the writer put his heart and soul into making his case.

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HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 04/12/2020 16:52

Thank you. Placemarking to read later as I don't think I can face it now!

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