Article today about p**nhub

"Pornhub to ban unverified uploads after child abuse content claims

Site – visited 100m times a day – to make changes following allegations it was hosting abusive and non-consensual material"

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/dec/10/pornhub-to-ban-unverified-uploads-after-child-abuse-content-claims

‘I do wonder if all credit cards suspended working with them, would most men find a way around it quickly enough? Or would they listen to why and rethink?‘

I don’t believe that violent porn use is a natural and inevitable part of men’s sexuality so I am confident that making it harder to pay for would actually make large numbers less likely to do it. Of course there would still be many who would find a way but prevalence of use does reflect ease of availability.

It’s all fucking sinister.

It is.

That is good news, hopefully they decide that they can no longer be associated with pornhub.

I am glad they're paying attention but won't be surprised to hear that Pornhub have to do the bare minimum to pass an inspection. It must be hugely profitable and something tells me that a lot of people in the system won't really give too much of a shit where the money comes from.

I do wonder if all credit cards suspended working with them, would most men find a way around it quickly enough? Or would they listen to why and rethink?

That's really positive - glad people are paying attention.

What is so interesting to me 4.5 years on is how he is describing the seeds that have grown into where we are now - e.g. women losing their jobs or being called Conservative shills for speaking up for women's rights.

I read his twitter thread about his research earlier, I don't think I can bring myself to read the article. Harrowing.

Also saving the link to read later.

Nicholas Kristof is a liberal at the NYt who has written a number of articles about how the left has gone mad. Well worth a read.

Predictably the purity spiral turned on him after his first column on the topic as evidenced by the follow up column he wrote. And this was about 5 years ago.

First column: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html

Follow up: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/opinion/sunday/the-liberal-blind-spot.html

And how much does this have to do with Stonewall helping the likes of Amnesty or Liberty call for children to have ‘greater bodily autonomy’?

Liberty used to have connections with PIE. We all know what Peter Tatchell thinks about underage sex and there seems to be a lot of enthusiasm in some areas for children to reach the age of consent without going through puberty first.

It’s all fucking sinister.

When did pornographers take over sex education for children?

Great question. And to push the point further - why are we allowing pornographers to take over the sex education of our children?

Anotherhumanfemale yes of course you are right.

When we were younger we just wore baggy shapeless clothes to avoid unwanted male attention, it didn’t work that well.

Now we have girls who can see no other way to avoid being judged, used and abused as a sex object, they take the trans route. It is heartbreaking.

I confess I haven’t found the courage to look at the article linked by the OP yet but I was aware of the case of the kidnapping.

There must be a way of taking the site down and prosecuting those responsible for it. It is just sickening and disturbing that it hasn’t already been done. It doesn’t seem that it is even on the radar of the police.

Kristof seems to feel he has to stress he's not anti-porn. He's only bothered by the lack of consent.

It's crazy that it's now dogma: if sex organs are involved we've all got to be mindless cheerleaders to stick it to the Victorians.

Meanwhile, women are being bought, sold, rented, tortured there's a term for that. It's called slavery. and it's all fine because penis! and we wouldn't want to be called prudes!

(It's an excellent article. And major props to Kristof for shining light on it.It's just sad to see how totally the slavers have taken over the group mind.)

Pornographers took over sex education as soon as sex became an accepted tool for selling products. The Internet just allowed it to flourish.

I wonder how many girls will be put off sex completely, finding that it is painful, hard work and that they are constantly judged on their performance and technique. Where is the pleasure for girls, will they ever experience sex as nurturing, relaxing, affectionate and part of bonding with their chosen partner?

Perhaps there will be a sudden explosion of girls discovering a vocation as a Buddhist or Catholic nun or celebrating empowered celibacy.

Or perhaps just a massive increase in teenage girls realising they don't like what's involved in being a woman, based on what's done to the female sex in porn, so they must actually be a boy and get their overly sexualised breasts cut off?

When did pornographers take over sex education for children?

I'm glad I waited, because now I've got a strong drink to help me process that article Pothole. It's distressing, actually quite horrifying and it's about the 10th most visited website in the world. Well done to Nicholas Kristoff_ for researching in depth and shining a light on the extent of the problem. What on earth do we do?

After a 15-year-old girl went missing in Florida, her mother found herer on Pornhub — in 58 sex videos. Sexual assaults on a 14-year-old California girl were posted on Pornhub and were reported to the authoritieses not by the company but by a classmate who saw the videos

Placemarking to read after kids in bed. Dreading it but as you say, important.

the normalisation of pornography

In the United States you can find this in Planned Parenthood's new Amaze sexual education videos that are geared for boys ages 8-12.

Very pertinent points Weebesom and HecatesCats.

It really is so unhealthy to suggest that it is normal detach from your own body and your connection with your partner because you are embarrassed, sounds like some work on self acceptance and a bit of maturity of attitude would be a good idea before getting naked with a partner.

Equally the point about real people, really being exploited.

I find the boxing analogy very helpful.

I just don’t know why children are being sexualised to such an extent by so much explicit information way beyond the basics so young, the normalisation of pornography and no strings casual sex and expected (by their peers/social media/certain charities) in many cases to announce their sexual orientation age 12.