Amnesty - “no such thing as a biologically male/female body”

Didn't Professor Rosa Freedman say in her evidence last week, that the principle of 'self determination' applies to 'peoples', (choosing their government), and not to individuals.
I think she was refuting a point made by the TRAs in their evidence

A large part of the worst cases they see will be those treated so badly due to their biological sex.

I’d like them to come on here and explain and make a statement to retract that line.

Amnesty is a charity, they should be very mindful as to how this will affect their fundraising, and how many people will feel they just can't support them anymore.

There is zero need for Amnesty to wade into this, they can choose to stay neutral, but didn't. Very unwise decision.

The vagina museum has gone full 'people with vaginas'. The word woman appears on their website a handful of times and only in relation to being trans inclusive.

@ChattyLion, funnily enough I was listening to a programme about conspiracy theories on the World Service earlier. I think it's fair to say that the internet has helped spread conspiracy theories but they've probably always been there. Back in the early twentieth century we had "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" faked papers purported to be written by high up Jews about how they would take over the world and there have been many more since.

I think the internet helps the likes of those who faked that text back then spread their hatred. I definitely think that the conspiracy theories that are doing the rounds now are as hateful and dangerous as the protocols of the elders of Zion and far more widespread. Late 20th century theories, that I was aware of, were more along the lines of who was behind the assassination of JFK and was princess Diana knocked off. (Former, some very shady shit there. The latter, yeah, no). Since 9/11 we're overflowing with them.

Most people will believe at least one conspiracy theory and that's fair enough because conspiracies exist, but there are people who believe multiple theories, antivax, Obama's birth certificate, paedophile pizza restaurants, the queen is a lizard, etc, and people like Steve Bannon can target them with algorithms for ads on Facebook. Education helps, but when we are so clearly being gaslit by governments and this sort of shit from the likes of Amnesty it's harder and harder to hold on to what is real.

I was using Smile on Amazon to donate to amnesty international but I got an email from th the Vagina Museum asking people to swap to them. Frankly, I'm amazed that the vagina museum hasn't been targeted by TRAs but so far, so good. Unless they go full "people who were born with a vagina" , they'll have my support.

So many important posts on this thread and I am sorry to see the Eyes have been busy today on what looks to have been some excellent posts.

MoltenLasagne and persistentwoman your posts really resonated with me. I really don’t understand where the conspiracy theories fit in to all this (did we always have conspiracy theories but now social media makes them more visible and more shareable, or is this new?) but this is so fundamental:

Society and justice depend on truths and facts.

It’s the lying that gets to me. Individual lying is bad enough but organisational-level lying with bad consequences for non-believers in the lie... it’s just terrifying. I hadn’t thought of it this way before but all the lying and gaslighting IS absolutely unpicking the glue that keeps us all together.
The trust, shared language, democratic principles, this dogma is chipping massive cracks in all of that.

Excellent post StrippedFridge. Can we try to reword it?
The horrors of what amnesty knows about vs hurt feelings because you can’t change with the 13 year old girls.

Perfect

Could it be one of those amnesties like where in the interests of making the world a better place, everyone has x amount of days to hand in their misogynistic, homophobic, sexist, anti-scientific, anti-safeguarding, authoritarian views at the nearest safe place, with no questions asked?

I quit Amnesty some time ago over its prostitution policy.

Amnesty for Amnesty

Maybe they need an intervention or rescuing? Shall we set up a campaign? Save Amnasty (from itself). Liberty is a long lost cause...

They have lost their minds. This is delusional. It's like an extreme parody of Orwell.

blimey to a mod deleting StrippedFridge 's excellent post, and even more blimey to anyone reporting it. have a word with your self

of course transgenderism is sexist. the core tenet is that there are personality traits intrinsic to men and women. that's sexism 101

The idea of being transgender necessarily requires fixed ideas about men and women, and the idea of feeling yourself to be inhabiting a sexed body out of kilter with your personal self identity.

How is it not based on that?

That’s the only thing I could see that could be on the no-no list. She didn’t ask for a deletion either so it must’ve been a complaint?

Handily, enough of you quoted it that it's still readable. Can't really see what was wrong with it... The fragility of society and the horror of what happens in the world are very scary.

I think what made certain scenes in the Handmaid's Tale so horrifying was the juxtaposition of where it was happening. Surely the liberal, rich, west would never abuse people so blatantly, that just happens elsewhere. Except it doesn't, it happens everywhere and ignoring it to navel gaze is unhelpful.

"Appears to be"

First two lines disapproved of maybe?

I don't see what was wrong with that post?

@persistentwoman

And having read that passionate post by StrippedFridge, (someone who knows in detail the nature of Amnesty's once important work) I note that it's been deleted

Wtf is happening this afternoon, is it a full moon or something?

And having read that passionate post by StrippedFridge, (someone who knows in detail the nature of Amnesty's once important work) I note that it's been deleted