Impact of 2-child benefit cap on abortion decisions

Child benefit isn’t capped at 2 children
Tax credits are now for children born after a certain date.
We have a large family. If you plan to have less and accidentally get pregnant there are other options children don’t have to cost a fortune it just depends on the lifestyle you want I suppose but if you’re happy to reuse things clothing and equipment they really don’t have to cost a lot to raise

@niceberg I have lost my income thankfully we only have 2 children to support as I considered this kind of scenario years ago when sticking with 2 , job losses have always happened.
Where would this money come from , the amount paid out in furlough and vaccinations etc
The only thing that should get re looked at his housing benefit as sometimes the cap on this means people can't actually get a suitable area , someone in a cheap area will get all rent paid and same benefits as someone else who lives in an area where rents are high and then has to use benefits to top up the rent

The prime example of feckless dad voted for this cap. Boris Johnson.

@niceberg i don't think you could lift it temporarily it would be an administrative nightmare
Extra money for universal credit has been given and apart from its tome to pay it is actually fairer than working tax as no overpayments
The most that could be offered would be a one off payment

@PotholeParadies there is a rape clause in it , and also abusive men how do you not know this cap hasn't encouraged less children to be born in to an abusive home
More education and help to get people out of abusive relationships is better surely , rather than just giving money and people staying

@PotholeParadies come
And live near me then , when my dc were at school practically all families claiming complete benefits had 4 or more children
The ones on tax credit often 2/3
Not many at my dc school who prib didn't claim a thing tbh

I now have 2 children, me and DH both work and aren’t entitled to any tax credits. I don’t resent the fact that other families on lower incomes are entitled to some extra money to ensure they can make ends meet and that their children don’t suffer. If our income dropped to the same level then we would be entitled to the same support.

@TheGreawave i to have claimed ct credit and at a time when you could claim for as many as needed
I still choose to stay at 2 kids and not have a third as it wasn't the states responsibility to pay for my decision and i knew a third would leave us really struggling
I was also in a 2 bed house and couldn't afford a 3 bed

@circusoflove many of those families will get benefits for all children as they were born before the cap especially if school age
Everyone knew the cap was happening so time to be prepared
Some large families were getting silly amounts in benefits
Im not even sure if fsm meals apply to only 2 children i guess as only been in 3 years none would be school age yet

A tiny amount of families were used to build a stereotype of the feckless poor. (Bloody channel 4) The average number of children for families that claimed a benefit was the same as other families that didn't.

@Circusoflove Many posters on this thread have stated that they have had to cap the number of children they have due to income/finances. Hypothetically, how is it unfair to apply this universally? (Those in abusive relationships aside)

There were actually problems accessing contraception, and MAP in particular, during 1st lockdown.

@jj1968 class does not dictate income, nor vice versa.

This thread is truly awful. Everyone is up in arms about children living in poverty with not enough food to eat in the holidays. But when it comes to down to how we solve that, ie give poor families more money, there’s so much wailing about how unfair and wrong it all is.

@Thelnebriati so if they aren't allowed how would they access contraception elsewhere
And surely money would be better spent getting people out or not into these situations on the first place
If they keep having more children even if given more money of the man controls that , then they see none of it

Most of the posters here dont understand coercive control, so it must seem baffling to you that there are women who aren't allowed to just make a phone call or go to their GP or a chemist without fear of repercussions.

@Circusoflove why gps were open throughout you can phone up and prescription sent ? Tesco sell condoms etc , chemists were open for morning after pill
Unless any of these were in short supply which I don't remember reading about ? Hrt was not sure about contraceptive pill

@jj1968 its not an attack on women , we have choices in lots of things in life , what about thinking if child you are bringing into the world if you really can't afford it
Why should the state pay
Many people have only one of two children as they can't afford it , others have more without handouts as they plan and sacrifice other things
Have you seen rate of benefit cap for families , its often more than someone working
The only thing that needs looking at os the housing part as its not reflective in many cases of prices in area - good reason to build more cheaper rent council / ha houses

The cap is fair it wasn't imposed on existing children , what should be campaigned for is better support for non insurable illnesses etc so those that have had more than 2 children get help
I know if several large families where neither parent has worked for years

COVID comes into it because many women had trouble accessing contraception during lockdown. Abortion rates have gone up as a result, which is also predictable.

Wow, one of the most vicious attacks in living memory on working class women which along with benefit sanctions and the housing benefit cap has plunged countless women and their children into desperate poverty being cheered on a feminism forum. How revealing.

If people can't get to a gp freely or a family planning clinic where else providing it would they be able to get to if being stopped by an abusive partner etc

Contraception is widely available you can go to gp for both the morning after pill and pill etc for free