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The Baroness takes on La Leche League

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CaveMum · 02/12/2020 19:54

Yet another fantastic letter from Baroness Nicholson to La Leche League re their stance on “chest feeding”.

twitter.com/baroness_nichol/status/1334210792468717573?s=21

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Winesalot · 02/12/2020 22:42

Quite ladyofshallnot. And trying to forget that aspect, there is always the same reason that males have professional pregnancy shots and post the photos on social media. The fake bump is always covered by a sexily draped sheet, or negligee. But obviously, I can’t mention the name of the reason why or I will get banned. But it is like a proof that they are who they say they are.... very authenticating....

Again, there are some very prominent males doing this, so it is not hard to find.

TheLadyOfShallnott · 02/12/2020 22:37

And thank you Baroness. Star

TheLadyOfShallnott · 02/12/2020 22:35

winesalot

The contents of your post is one of the reasons women question chestfeeding/chest liquids.

I judged.

CandyLeBonBon · 02/12/2020 22:26

Having breast tissue is not the same as having breasts by the way,

CandyLeBonBon · 02/12/2020 22:25

@Aesopfable

‘Chest’ does not refer to the correct part of the anatomy for breast feeding. Incidentally, men also get breast cancer.
Yes. Because males also possess some breast tissue.
CandyLeBonBon · 02/12/2020 22:24

Which further begs the question, @PinkyU, which group of male born individuals regularly lactate to nurse their infants?

MRC20 · 02/12/2020 22:23

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CandyLeBonBon · 02/12/2020 22:22

@StrippedFridge

Aka pygmy men do not breastfeed babies. That is impossible because of the human biology of milk production. Aka pygmy men use their own nipples as dummies for babies or to keep the baby quiet until the mother arrives to breastfeed. A bit like when a western man might let a baby suck on his little finger to keep it quiet.
Thanks for the clarification
Thewithesarehere · 02/12/2020 22:22

@PinkyU

There are a number of cultures which have historically (some which still do) normalised Male lactation. It’s not a new concept.
A lot of cultures have been doing a lot of abhorrent things historically. You might as well bring back slavery.
StrippedFridge · 02/12/2020 22:18

Aka pygmy men do not breastfeed babies. That is impossible because of the human biology of milk production. Aka pygmy men use their own nipples as dummies for babies or to keep the baby quiet until the mother arrives to breastfeed. A bit like when a western man might let a baby suck on his little finger to keep it quiet.

AnotherEmma · 02/12/2020 22:17

😱

Winesalot · 02/12/2020 22:12

Why does anyone want to breastfeed their child?

If you don’t believe there are reasons for a male breastfeeding a child that don’t include the needs of that child, you are quite naive. There are written account of how ‘electrifying’ and sensual it is for a male to have a baby suckle. They write these words themselves.

One wrote ‘I got off, don’t judge!’.

Aesopfable · 02/12/2020 22:10

‘Chest’ does not refer to the correct part of the anatomy for breast feeding. Incidentally, men also get breast cancer.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 02/12/2020 22:08

A friendly reminder that some people like to cause consternation and goad posters into a deletion or ban

Thanks, Pahrump.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 02/12/2020 22:03

I write with reference to your British Branch policy of encouraging natal males to mimic breastfeeding using untried, drug-stimulated male chest liquids squirted directly into apparently living babies' mouths.

Tell it like it is, Baroness! Speak the truth and shame the devil.

I didn't think I could admire her more than I already did, but this has inspired me. Enough of the fawning euphemisms, the walking on eggshells, the handmaidly submissiveness. This is a woman whose speech cannot be coerced.

CandyLeBonBon · 02/12/2020 22:03

I think pinkyu is referring to the Aka Pygmy people. So a single tribal group of around 20,000 people in central Africa, they have atypical gender roles and males 'sometimes' breastfeed babies if mum isn't available.

By no means commonplace.

borntobequiet · 02/12/2020 22:03

@PinkyU

Why does anyone want to breastfeed their child?
To provide it with the most nutritious, accessible and inexpensive nutrition available? What an odd question. Also, there are a number of cultures that have normalised slavery, human sacrifice, paedophilia and weird hairstyles. That doesn’t mean they’re good things or that we should copy them.
Winesalot · 02/12/2020 22:01

They noted the risk of the combination of drugs was unknown in short and long term. on the infant.

Winesalot · 02/12/2020 22:00

And what about the effect of male levels of testosterone on an infant. In the one study that was done (the focus was on whether it was successfully achieved not on any aspect on the child’s needs) the Dr noted the male had male levels of testosterone despite being a transwoman as well as the other drugs taken. Including hormone suppressants that clearly were not working but still in the system.

pinkyu please tell us exactly what drugs are usually taken by transwomen, in addition to the drugs taken to induce lactation (as others have pointed out these start months before and continue throughout).

The note by the way of the dr conducting the trial was a transwoman dr who said they themselves decided not to do this experiment themselves when they had the opportunity. They noted the risk of the combination of drugs was unknown in short and long term.

There is plenty of links on the other recent threads about LLL maybe have a look since you are interested. And see some expert point of views.

There is a debunked study stating males would breastfeed in other cultures but other experts reviewing the study pointed out they were soothing their babies not feeding and the researcher misinterpreted the action.

Or do you have some research that states otherwise? Or are a researcher yourself?

StillWeRise · 02/12/2020 21:56

@PinkyU

There are a number of cultures which have historically (some which still do) normalised Male lactation. It’s not a new concept.
I'd like some refs for this
BaseDrops · 02/12/2020 21:46

That’s a fierce letter.

Regardless of the medical/drug issues and personal reasons for a male wanting to have a baby suckle...La Leche have to work within their charitable status. Which is about supporting mothers.

No male, whether they have transitioned to female or not is legally a mother. It’s not possible in the same way as a transman who gives birth can’t refuse to be the baby’s legal mother.

La Leche absolutely can and should support transmen who have given birth to breastfeed.

Coyoacan · 02/12/2020 21:40

PinkyU. What cultures have lactating men?

espressoontap · 02/12/2020 21:35

Bloody brilliant. I hate the term 'chest feeding'. The world has gone bloody mad.

CandyLeBonBon · 02/12/2020 21:26

Hadn't male chest feeding and lactation using these drugs only been studied once?

How is that even remotely acceptable as a choice involving infants who cannot consent to being experimented on all for the sake of validation?

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