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Bunburying and wassailing into winter - thread 7

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CaraDuneRedux · 02/12/2020 11:41

Time for a new thread. Please can someone c&p the header post? (Am on phone.)

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CharlieParley · 08/02/2021 17:25

Good rant. Also it pretends there is something shameful about people pre-transition. There isn't. Many transsexuals reject this notion and do not consider it offensive when their pre-transition days are spoken about in this way. If transition is such a momentous decision, doesn't a ban on using their original name relegate the transition to an irrelevant, happenstance event?

I've read plenty of personal accounts now from people who have transitioned and most (probably all) referred to the early period using their birth name.

We've always handled name changes in this way. Why is this different?

CaraDuneRedux · 08/02/2021 17:04

And I so want to be able to say that on the work discussion board - but obviously I can't because I want to keep my job...

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ArabellaScott · 08/02/2021 16:58

Good rant. It is infuriating. I hope somebody, somewhere, is archiving a record of history where accurate records are being kept. At some point in the future, when this episode of collective madness is over, we will need it.

CaraDuneRedux · 08/02/2021 16:54

Quick rant time.

Work are celebrating LGBTQ history month. Fair enough. Post on discussion board about a transwoman of some historical interest - think Jan Morris era or thereabouts - not Jan, but will pretend it is, as don't want actual outing details on here.

Nice, insightful article - sort of thing that is well worth knowing about and discussing, glad the person in question posted it.

But resident TRA has immediately pitched in with "don't deadname her" because the article uses the birthname in connection with early achievements. Achievements which this person would not have been allowed to undertake had they been a woman. (Think Times sending Jan rather than James Morris to cover the Everest Expedition - it just wouldn't have happened).

To ban deadnaming, in this instance (as is so often the case), is to falsify women's history. It gets right up my nose. And there are so many examples of this. The Dick-y-pedia entry for the "Warchowski Sisters" held up as the first women to direct a big sci-fi blockbuster trilogy - except they did it as the Warchowski brothers, and anyone who thinks a major studio would have green-lit a project like the Matrix if a couple of women had pitched it has shit for brains and is living in fantasy land. Or Caitlin Jenner winning gold in the Olympic decathlon - an event which women are not eligible to enter.

I repeat: banning deadnaming falsifies women's history.

(Which I guess is the point - all part of the ongoing erasure of women and any admission ever that sex might be the basis on which we're discriminated against...)

Gah.

Rant over.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2021 12:00

Excuse me, I don't often post on this thread as I don't think it's the place for me, but does anyone have any recipes for cassava root?

And, exactly how poisonous is it if you get it wrong?

You can make cassava chips. Peel, chop, parboil until soft and then roast in oil in the oven until crispy and golden. Generally the sort sold in U.K. supermarkets isn't the most risky kind.

I love cassava!

Winesalot · 08/02/2021 10:55

It was going well. Just one sex is a spectrum. Many new voices defining woman biology.

Dalyesque · 08/02/2021 10:52

Missed it too. How was it going?

ErrolTheDragon · 08/02/2021 10:36

I missed that one entirely. Was the OP a known poster or a new name?

GCAcademic · 08/02/2021 10:27

Also popping my head in here as wondering what happened to that thread. Most odd.

DaisiesandButtercups · 08/02/2021 10:26

Thanks DickKerrLadies.

I thought it was nice and clear too gardenbird48, I was enjoying reading everyone’s thoughts.

gardenbird48 · 08/02/2021 10:22

I wondered what happened with that one - I thought it was a nice clear point. They were going to ‘investigate behind the scenes’ or something. Did anyone get an email?

DickKerrLadies · 08/02/2021 10:22

@DaisiesandButtercups

What happened to that definition thread in AIBU?!

I suppose it will be eye opening for those who aren’t regulars on FWR that it has been deleted.

MNHQ taking a look behind the scenes they say. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4159441-The-Definition-of-Woman
DaisiesandButtercups · 08/02/2021 10:16

What happened to that definition thread in AIBU?!

I suppose it will be eye opening for those who aren’t regulars on FWR that it has been deleted.

Dalyesque · 08/02/2021 09:57

Think there are a lot of strikes these days it seems . I keep seeing posts deleted and whole topics gone. Lots on the naughty step now I imagine.

Winesalot · 08/02/2021 09:56

Thread I meant, not your strike highame. Sorry to hear about that.

Winesalot · 08/02/2021 09:55

Well that one didn’t last long? Too pointed perhaps?

highame · 08/02/2021 09:22

a derail from recipes but only for a minute.

Got my first strike the other day and really hacked off because it was nothing to do with TWAW 🤣
As you were

MissBarbary · 08/02/2021 01:51

@PotholeParadies

Can it be prepared in any of the same ways as potato? My go-to with unfamiliar root vegetables is to serve it with potato in the same way.
I was coming to that conclusion.

There are lots of recipes for cassava cake. I assumed this would be a variation of carrot or beetroot cake but they involve tins of evaporated milk and condensed milk , dessicated coconut but no flour. And look quite weird.

There's a Victoria Wood song about dieting with the line things to do with lettuce- like throwing it away which is tempting but I hate food waste.

PotholeParadies · 08/02/2021 01:38

Can it be prepared in any of the same ways as potato? My go-to with unfamiliar root vegetables is to serve it with potato in the same way.

MissBarbary · 08/02/2021 01:33

Excuse me, I don't often post on this thread as I don't think it's the place for me, but does anyone have any recipes for cassava root?

And, exactly how poisonous is it if you get it wrong?

It's been sitting on the counter for a week now. I can't find anything online which looks remotely tempting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2021 00:56

There's the bold claim that saying A about B is actionable. Much space is then given to discussing how this could possibly be actionable. But no one actually said A about B at all.

Yes I did try to point this out when the bold claim was made.

CharlieParley · 07/02/2021 23:16

Just to get back to the Bunbury's thread's topic for a second - coming into such a lively thread so late allows you to see the derails much more clearly.

There's the bold claim that saying A about B is actionable. Much space is then given to discussing how this could possibly be actionable. But no one actually said A about B at all. I've just gone over each post leading up to the bold claim, and indeed, no one said this.

It was an effective tactic though.

Winesalot · 07/02/2021 21:52

Actually, the posters who are explaining why are well versed and researched and not regulars on FWR. It is heartening to see and as I keep saying, blows away the argument that majority of women disagree that there are any issues and all but our small minority go along with what is happening.

It is being shown across different topics to be consistent. Mn posters may not like To post on FWR but they are well read across different sources.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/02/2021 21:43

If they think that's what Stonewall give advice about they're rather behind the times!

CharlieParley · 07/02/2021 21:33

I mean it could easily be people voting who object to children being taught about homosexuality and same-sex parents, but the responses are challenging Stonewall because it is itself now taking a position that can only reasonably be described as homophobic (besides its anti-science stance and misogyny).