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Transgender teen removed from parents in order to start hormone treatment in Australis

86 replies

WattleOn · 29/11/2020 20:36

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8998207/Transsexual-teenager-removed-parents-judge-rules-parents-abusive.html

Summary - 15 year old girl wants to be a boy. Parents don’t want her to receive hormone therapy. Court removes child from parents. Court case this week regarding starting hormone therapy.

I’ll be watching the court case closely. Australia is very pro transgender rights. This is terrifying.

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RoyalCorgi · 01/12/2020 09:13

Oh sorry, cross posted.

RoyalCorgi · 01/12/2020 09:12

Russia Today?

What qualifications does Hayden have to talk about anything other than hounding women through the courts?

Thingybob · 01/12/2020 09:12

@CatsCantCatchCriminals2

... This case was being discussed on RT today ..

I can't work out what "RT" is - anyone?

Russia Today, the news station
ThatIsNotMyUsername · 01/12/2020 09:08

I assumed it was R4 typo? I missed the radio this morning.

WattleOn · 01/12/2020 09:07

I thought it was Victoria but having reread the report, it deliberately avoids mentioning the state.

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CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 01/12/2020 09:02

... This case was being discussed on RT today ..

I can't work out what "RT" is - anyone?

Whatwouldscullydo · 01/12/2020 08:53

Seems you can pick and choose when benefits you right...

I mean they can't understand about standing up for legal rights when if they had no case at all their be sent straight out the door, instead several counties dropped the tool kit so what does that tell you....

But they can consent to losing fertility and sexual function ?

Make your mind up

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 01/12/2020 08:35

If they knew what they were doing they’d have the vote and could leave school. And join the army, get a tattoo, go to the pub...

Whatwouldscullydo · 01/12/2020 08:31

Funniky enough though when the same 14/15 ur olds go to papers/ set up.petitioms amd protests and put in fir JRs theybare driven by bigot parents and dont know what they are doing ConfusedHmm

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 01/12/2020 08:01

@Thingybob

This case was being discussed on RT today and one of those invited on, who was arguing that a 14/15 your old does have capacity to make these decisions, was Stephanie Hayden.
Has a teenage kid do they?
Whatwouldscullydo · 01/12/2020 07:06

Depression is very common. The underlying causes need dealing with. No one who's depressed is magically going to be ok witg one change in their life reliant on everyone else going along with something.

Someone needs to learn to come to terms with their own situation and face reality.

How long do you think it will he vefore biology/reality shows its face outside the family and friend bubble?

Would you tell an anorexic they were fat becuase they felt that way?

NotYourCisterinAus · 01/12/2020 06:54

I wonder what state this child is in: both the ACT and Queensland banned "conversion therapy", i.e., anything other than affirmation. The ACT pushed their laws through about a week before parliament broke up for an election without any public discussion, and made it a criminal offence to take a child out of the Territory for such therapy.

All I can say is there are going to be some very unhappy young adults in a few years time.

Joswis · 01/12/2020 06:27

Murdoch Children's Research Institute (Australia) found that approx. 50,% of trans Australian teens suffer from depression. This improves drastically with supportive care.

Denying a child access to that care in that case COULD be deemed abusive. The child was taken away from the family several months ago at 15, therefore will be nearing the age of 16. Medical intervention has yet to start.

If 16 is an acceptable age for sexual maturity (hence the age of consent) ergo, 16 is the age for body autonomy.

Thingybob · 01/12/2020 00:41

This case was being discussed on RT today and one of those invited on, who was arguing that a 14/15 your old does have capacity to make these decisions, was Stephanie Hayden.

Runnerduck34 · 30/11/2020 18:13

What a mess, very depressing read. The parents request sounds reasonable, 15 years is too young for such a life changing decision

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 30/11/2020 16:17

Life in care - sounds bloody scary. I’m sure it’s not the roses and lollipops they think it will be.

Whatwouldscullydo · 30/11/2020 16:12

One that potentially hasn't fully gone through puberty therefore is mentally way behind their peers....no problems with that though right Hmm

Just how do they think this is the best thing for her.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 30/11/2020 16:09

@Whatwouldscullydo

And as I said what happens at 18 when they did all this to her then can basically wash their hands of her...Sad

By which time she has no one left Angry

Oh god yes of course. The only people around will be those who probably aren’t the best ones to have around a confused young adult.
Whatwouldscullydo · 30/11/2020 13:02

Long term.plans usually require support systems don't they? So out of foster care/care home, cant go home to oarebtsbshes now been told are evil and unsupported, and good luck being in any place to get a job with all mental health issues still untreated... gonna pay for the meds and surgery to finish the job or what?

Reminds me a bit of the whole nestle thing. Convince the mothers formula is safer when they have no money to pay fir it or clean water to make it with, and by the time they realise its a bad idea the breast milk has dried up...

Worked out great didnt it

MidClegs · 30/11/2020 12:56

@Whatwouldscullydo

And as I said what happens at 18 when they did all this to her then can basically wash their hands of her...Sad

By which time she has no one left Angry

This is very very scary. What will she do, where will she go? Who will look after her?

I didn't see any mention of where this exactly happened. The article quoted a University Dean from Queensland, did this happen there? Because I know this happened in West Australia too in the last 24 months. Things like this do not receive enough sunlight.

calllaaalllaaammma · 30/11/2020 12:39

How can this be happening?

How can removing the child into care be of any benefit to the child?

IT reminds me of the satanic abuse scandals where children were removed from their families, this is so wrong.

Whatwouldscullydo · 30/11/2020 12:38

And as I said what happens at 18 when they did all this to her then can basically wash their hands of her...Sad

By which time she has no one left Angry

Babdoc · 30/11/2020 12:35

RedToothbrush, I know it’s Australia. Australia has signed up to seven international conventions on family and child rights, and taking this child away from its parents and injecting it with puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, causing long term health damage, is very definitely NOT in its best interests, as required by the aforementioned international conventions!

Cailleach · 30/11/2020 12:26

The article states this child "struggled with social skills" and had a "difficult start to puberty". There is a strong link between autism and the desire to transition, and as we all know girls with ASD are hopelessly mis- or under-diagnosed. People with ASD often struggle with change, and especially the enormous physical and emotional transition that is puberty.

People with autism generally have an emotional age two thirds of their chronological age, and often have great difficulty identifying and expressing their own feelings. They also show a markedly poorer ability to predict future outcomes, both for themselves and others.

Has any effort whatsoever been made to assess this child for underlying neurological disorders? Because otherwise, we could potentially have someone here who has the emotional maturity of a 10 year old being removed from their parents and allowed to make life-altering decisions on their future fertility and physical health when they are incapable of picturing the consequences of those actions.

Appalling.

Callcat · 30/11/2020 12:24

Because suicidal teens are absolutely in the best place to make life altering decisions for themselves 🙄 When on earth did tolerance tip over into this mess? How have a miniscule number of weird men with disturbing fetishes managed to have such a dramatic effect on laws, businesses etc? To the point that a governments are not only condoning child abuse but facilitating it?