Transgender teen removed from parents in order to start hormone treatment in Australis

Sanity prevails! Thank goodness.

I had one ovary removed a month ago - I had huge cysts on both ovaries and the original plan was to remove the one with the biggest cyst - cyst, ovary, fallopian tube, the lot.

When they actually got in there they realised that the ovary with the smaller cyst was the biggest problem - it had a large endometriotic cyst on it which had ruptured, so they look that ovary out instead. Fortunately the surgeon was able to save the other ovary, otherwise I would have lost both and had to go onto HRT....even though I am 43, he still did not want me to lose both ovaries as they are so essential for a woman's health.

Women who are forced into premature menopause have vastly increased risks of osteoporosis, heart disease and worst of all, dementia. What are the long term risks to people with female chromosomes being exposed to artificially high levels of male hormones, especially from such a young age? Does anybody actually know, or is there anyone out there with a scientific background who can hazard a guess?

Even as a layperson, this idea seems most unwise, to say the least.

Keira Bell has won. This may have implications for what's happening elsewhere in the world.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4094862-keira

The judge ruled that children are unlikely to be able to give informed consent to puberty blockers because of the long term consequences and experimental nature of the treatment.

What is more autonomous than making a new life? A new human?

When you have to resort to name calling you've lost the argument

Indeed. Its useful when people do the Karen insult. They are simply holding a sign up to show everyone their poor level of critical thought. It's very kind of them to do that because we can then choose to ignore them.

I know for a fact, first hand, that children in Australia are put on puberty blockers without any therapy.

First time I've been called a Karen!

When you have to resort to name calling you've lost the argument.

First, psychologist/counselling. NO ONE ever just lobs a teenager onto hormones.

Keira Bell was given puberty blockers after three counselling sessions. Does that sound adequate to you?

Bodily autonomy, Joswis? When the child is legally still too young to have a tattoo or even have her ears pierced without her parents' consent?

And the state removes the child rather than agree with the parents that some counselling might be helpful?

I don't buy it. Australia has a disastrous reputation for protecting children of all and every variety from its very inception. It was my childhood/young adulthood home and it's sad to see things still haven't reliably improved.

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In all eventualities? So let a suicidal child kill themselves? So at what age did you allow your child to do everything that wanted? A parents job is to support and guide. Not refuse to listen and ignore things that are important to them.

Medication and surgery is the very last resort for life saving/changing instances. There is no ‘safe’ medical treatment. Those things are a LONG way down the list of treatment. First, psychologist/counselling. NO ONE ever just lobs a teenager onto hormones. And surgery will be years away, if ever.

Medication and surgery is the very last resort for life saving/changing instances. There is no ‘safe’ medical treatment.

In all eventualities? So let a suicidal child kill themselves? So at what age did you allow your child to do everything that wanted?

Parents job is to guide their kids and make sure they don’t make decisions that will mess up their lives. Not let them do whatever they want and just pick up the pieces.

RT is a blatant part of Putin's propaganda wars. If they've got interested in trans issues it will be because they see it as a "liberal democracies eating themselves" opportunity to destabilise the west. Hence picking really out there interviewees to make sure they amplify the extremes.

(RT blatantly makes shit up to stir, in potentially global conflict stirring ways. Eg their fake reports during the failed Turkish coup a few years ago that hostile troops had besieged the NATO base at Incurlik where the Americans keep tactical nuclear weapons. This isn't just Freddie Starr ate my hamster levels of disinformation - this is deliberately choosing to tell lies to attempt to cause political chaos. If you listen to RT bear in mind the level of disinformation you're being presented with and the possible motivations).

Whats unsupportive about seeking therapy fir a depressed child ?

And having been ripped away from their parents at 15, and zero exploration into why they feel the way they do, how do you think its gonna go?

The feelings that caused this are still there and will be despite all the hormones and surgery . But its ok cos shes old enough,?

So job done kid affirmed and drugged everyone happy attention onto the next one... Will those in the care home follow up at 18/20/40? Be there when they finally realise they need help?

If the society deems 16 as the age of consent, and the population of that society believes that is too young, they need to lobby for it to be changed.

It is on the statute books. Once the Australian teenager in question is 16, they have reached the age of consent and get to make that decision themselves.

This improves drastically with supportive care.

Yes, if that care deals with the multiple layers of distress before making medicalised changes. Have you not read the papers and studies stating that not dealing with underlying mental health issues first means little change to improved mental health and suicidal risks.

Sadly, the groups who pushed the latest law changes in QLD and ACT have ignored them (well the American Psch retraction may have been after those laws were pushed through and ... it was in the midst of a global pandemic they chose to push them through).

In some countries tbe age of consent is 14. In others children marry at the onset if periods

Are those kids capable of these decisions?

The brain doesn't fully mature until uour 20s, and that process is notbeveb complete in children put on blockers.

Do you think a mentally and emotionally and physically stunted/delayed child has the same ability to consent ?

Yes, but at 16 it is LEGAL to have sex and have a baby. We are not talking about biological possibility, but the age that the state and society deem old enough.

Yes.

Drs don't even sterilise adults as they feel they will change their mind.

The youngest someone ever had a baby was 5 . The ability to carry and birth a child is no reflection on whether they can make a permanent decision about not wanting to enjoy having sex again or have a family in the future.

And teenage bodies aren't even made for childbirth. The effects on the body can be serious.

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I think I've linked to the item.

So a 16 year old is old enough to make another human but not to be allowed to make decisions about their own life?

Russia Today? Can’t say I’ve ever actually listened to that. They are looking under the barrel for commentators then.