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WPUK have released a financial statement showing money received by source and how it is spent

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OvaHere · 28/11/2020 12:14

womansplaceuk.org/2020/11/28/wpuk-financial-statement-2020/

Perhaps we can quit with the 'dark money' narrative now.

I was a little surprised to see a grant from Lush Charity Pot in there. Perhaps as a company they aren't a total write off after all.

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Aesopfable · 29/11/2020 15:27

She hasn't mentioned it for ages and I think discrimination cases have a six month time limit.

It may come as a surprise to you that there is a wait for things to come to court and that this wait has grown somewhat due to Covid...

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 29/11/2020 15:27

Nothings bugging me really except that its unusual that an organisation with such a high turn over, that pays fees, doesn't appear to have any legally binding structure or properly audited accounts.

They'd need a turnover of £10m before the audit requirement kicked in, and £1m as a registered charity. I think (sadly) WPUK is a fair way off needing audited accounts.

Deltoids1 · 29/11/2020 15:21

To add, the constitution is the legally binding document which all officers and members must adhere to.

Deltoids1 · 29/11/2020 15:20

doesn't appear to have any legally binding structure or properly audited accounts.

JJ, you obviously have zero experience running an not for profit organisation. If you did you will know that community organisations like WPUK, local football clubs, the old folks lunch club etc have to have a constitution to be able to open a bank account.
They don’t have to have audited accounts as it’s a. very expensive and b. not required in law for such organisations.

jj1968 · 29/11/2020 15:14

@Aesopfable

jj I thought she'd [Allison Bailey] given up her case. It will have timed out anyway now I think if she hasn't filed.

You love to spread misinformation don’t you? You don’t need to look far to confirm she hasn’t; try her Twitter profile.

She hasn't mentioned it for ages and I think discrimination cases have a six month time limit. I took her tweet in September saying that she wouldnt be raising money through crowdfunder and that she would contact people if she needed money for this case or any other to mean she's pretty much given up on it, given its probably timed out and she hasn't put out a new appeal. Happy to be corrected though.
Whatwouldscullydo · 29/11/2020 15:07

And we know the US religious right supports GC activism, and they have surreptitiously funded movements they support before, so it's not particularly surprising some have questioned whether that is happening now

Were you equally suspicious when it was revealed that a political party took a substantial donation from a pharmaceutical company that manufactures puberty blockers ?

fatblackcatspaw · 29/11/2020 15:07

@MoonPomme

"Unless Lush is actually a Nazi group disguised as a soap factory?" I think you might be into something Grin Has anyone thrown a fit at lush yet for funding a hate group?
thank god I've been preemptively boycotting them already!
CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/11/2020 15:01

And non of that is you making any changes conjectures?

As I said, clueless....whether contrived or honest!

Aesopfable · 29/11/2020 15:00

jj
I thought she'd [Allison Bailey] given up her case. It will have timed out anyway now I think if she hasn't filed.

You love to spread misinformation don’t you? You don’t need to look far to confirm she hasn’t; try her Twitter profile.

jj1968 · 29/11/2020 14:47

@Clymene

That's being defamed and seeking legal advice then as Treestumps said.

So there is no evidence that they're being funded by the American far right, no evidence of funding at all really.

I mean do you accept that now @jj1968? That the accusation that they are a) has no foundation and b) is a deliberate attempt to smear?

I have never once made that accusation. I think it's probably quite likely that some of the money raised by the GC movement has come from the religious right, and things like crowdfunding campaigns are easy to mask that. That's the thing about dark money, no evidence trail. There has certainly been a lot of legal support that has come from the religious right, Paul Conrathe has never been busier.

But I've never made any claims about WPUK funding. And I don't think speculation is necessarily an attempt to smear. When a host of organisations appear which appear to be drawing significant funding and which are not formally constituted or publish audited accounts then I think it's inevitable that people will speculate about where it came from. And we know the US religious right supports GC activism, and they have surreptitiously funded movements they support before, so it's not particularly surprising some have questioned whether that is happening now.

titchy · 29/11/2020 14:44

jj: they're dodgy because A.
MN: no you misunderstand A is legitimate because.....

jj: then they're dodgy because B.
MN: no you misunderstand B is something different

jj: then they're dodgy because C.
MN: no C is a legitimate response to ....

Seriously jj I'm embarrassed for you 🤣

CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/11/2020 14:41

Pre action letter is a threat to sue?

Let's add that to the list of things you don't understand, shall we?

SophocIestheFox · 29/11/2020 14:41

The sheer effrontery of them, sending lawyers letters. Who do they think they are?

Clymene · 29/11/2020 14:38

That's being defamed and seeking legal advice then as Treestumps said.

So there is no evidence that they're being funded by the American far right, no evidence of funding at all really.

I mean do you accept that now @jj1968? That the accusation that they are a) has no foundation and b) is a deliberate attempt to smear?

MoonPomme · 29/11/2020 14:35

"Unless Lush is actually a Nazi group disguised as a soap factory?"
I think you might be into something Grin
Has anyone thrown a fit at lush yet for funding a hate group?

jj1968 · 29/11/2020 14:34

@TreestumpsAndTrampolines

With regards litigation then WPUK have threatened to sue many people

They have? I've missed that - I've seen them be defamed and take legal advice, but never seen a threat to sue - can you link me? The only threat to sue I can see is from Allison Bailey - and she's followed through on that, despite interference with the crowd funding

I thought she'd given up her case. It will have timed out anyway now I think if she hasn't filed.

and this:

We are often encouraged by our supporters to take legal action to challenge these slurs and defend our reputation, including when they have been made about individual members of WPUK. On occasion, we have done this by sending pre-action legal letters and this has usually resulted in the withdrawal or deletion of the defamation.

womansplaceuk.org/slurs-slander-libel/

WeeBisom · 29/11/2020 14:31

What I want to know is where is the Evangelical Christian anti-gay American astro-turf dark alt-right Nazi money that is supposedly propping WPUK up? Unless Lush is actually a Nazi group disguised as a soap factory?

MichelleofzeResistance · 29/11/2020 14:28

Anything stuck yet?

Surely slinging repeated random slurs around against an organisation is a bit....against the spirit? I thought the guidelines were against that kind of thing.

MoonPomme · 29/11/2020 14:23

Why would anybody need to sue wpuk?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/11/2020 14:22

For Pete's sake. Still clueless and still digging...

titchy · 29/11/2020 14:21

Nothings bugging me really except that its unusual that an organisation with such a high turn over, that pays fees, doesn't appear to have any legally binding structure or properly audited accounts.

A. It's very common. Why do you think it's a usual?
B. £50k is not a high turn over by any stretch of the imagination!

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 29/11/2020 14:21

With regards litigation then WPUK have threatened to sue many people

They have? I've missed that - I've seen them be defamed and take legal advice, but never seen a threat to sue - can you link me? The only threat to sue I can see is from Allison Bailey - and she's followed through on that, despite interference with the crowd funding

StrangeLookingParasite · 29/11/2020 14:18

an organisation with such a high turn over

Less than 2000£ per event, are you serious?

PlonitbatPlonit · 29/11/2020 14:17

You seem to know a lot about it @jj1968. Who has WPUK threatened to sue?

Their style seems much more to set a stall out before the court of public opinion.

jj1968 · 29/11/2020 14:14

@Aesopfable

I don't think they are trying to evade taxes. I think they are trying to evade accountability by not having named directors/trustees.

This is what is really bugging you isn’t it? Not having names and addresses of individuals that can be threatened, stalked, harassed, reported for ‘hate incidents’, made the victims of vexatious litigation, harass their employers and family and friends, remove from their work...

Also a change of tune on taxes there I note.

With regards litigation then WPUK have threatened to sue many people and in fact I suspect they reason they haven't ever gone through with it is that you generally need a formal organisation to be able to sue someone. That hasn't stopped them throwing out allegations of defamation thought despite the fact is would be very difficult to counter sue them because they are not constituted. Almost as if they want to have ther cake and eat it.

And we all know who runs WPUK, so no that's not bugging me. Nothings bugging me really except that its unusual that an organisation with such a high turn over, that pays fees, doesn't appear to have any legally binding structure or properly audited accounts.