La Leche League will support males (of the male sex) who wish to breastfeed.

I can understand supporting a trans man who has given birth to chest feed. However I wish someone would just quietly point out, they are in fact still biologically women. However if someone is in a very ideologically confused state, it isn't going to help to insist they admit this, rather than just encourage them to feel good about chestfeeding, nurture baby, form strong bond. 'My Pregnant Husband"made me see why support to transmen from places like LL might be important , despite saccharine nonsense of it all. The mum was to all intents a breastfeeding mum, even if she thought she was a man. Why should baby miss out.

But transwomen breastfeeding I think is absolutely insane, like someone having fake periods or suchlike...formula is there to nurture why fetishi ize feeding process? Just, no.

Trans women's breasts are anatomically pretty much identical to other women's breasts and have pretty much the same hormone levels.

Now we all know that just ain't true.

Believe it if you like - just don't go anywhere near a hungry infant...or a breastmilk bank.

And how on earth is it a derail to discuss whether trans women can safely breast feed on a thread about trans women breastfeeding.

It becomes a derail based on the whataboutery nature of your posts. And the seemingly lack of experience and knowledge about the subject.

And this thread ALSO discusses any MALE inclusion in a breastfeeding support group where women wish to only have other women. Particularly during covid when They are posting pictures of there nipples and breasts.

I’d like to hear from a female who has no problem exposing themselves online knowing it is not a secure group.

For the same reason any other woman would. I would be interested in seeing research but I don't see any reason why it would be substantially different

Presumably they had the baby with a woman..one that will produce her own milk without medications.

Trans women's breasts are anatomically pretty much identical to other women's breasts and have pretty much the same hormone levels

Only if you view them as something for others to gawp at or fill a bikini top. Not if you see them as a part of the body with an actual function

For the same reason any other woman would. I would be interested in seeing research but I don't see any reason why it would be substantially different. Trans women's breasts are anatomically pretty much identical to other women's breasts and have pretty much the same hormone levels.

Again, a mother’s body regulates the hormones that are inadvertently supplied to the infant, from conception through to breast feeding. If you don’t know this, why make such a comment.

And in a deleted recent thread, I saw a paper that was shoddily evidenced study on one male who was induced to lactate. They still had high testosterone levels as well as the other drugs. Maybe the person who posted that link will do so again.

Testosterone at a male level? To a baby girl? Mmmmm! Obviously you are under the impression all transwomen have little or no testosterone. Have you not read any posts on these boards since you have been posting?

Bearing in mind that key to the mission of LLL is the 'healthy development of baby and mother', how does transwomen breastfeeding fit in? Why would a transwoman want to breastfeed jj?

Here are two pictures. They’re very informative.

You're right, @Winesalot.

It is really depressing that a breastfeeding charity isn't prioritising breastfeeding. There's so much guilt and shame around women who have a difficult time of it, and so much policing and judgement. It is a particular female experience and it is not up for grabs.

And maybe this derail is a good example of what happens on bf’ing threads supporting women in need of bf’ing help......

Well, quite Scully

Maybe jj has seen a study they can link us to where the nutritional value has been compared particularly in the first few weeks

A study which would also include the affects on the mother emotionally at sharing the experience that way.

Its got to be completely different to sharing bottle feeds with a partner.

jj, pregnant women are constantly policed over what they put into their bodies. The fact that you don't know this despite endless time spent on this board suggests that you are not terribly interested in women's actual experiences and are here just to lecture, troll and gaslight.

And does this apply to any women on medication, or just trans women?

You do know that boots wouldn't even sell me olbas oil (that stuff you put on a hanky to clear your nose) when I was breastfeeding? Women who are breastfeeding are already hugely policed.

Why would a transwoman want or need to breastfeed a baby?

Maybe jj has seen a study they can link us to where the nutritional value has been compared particularly in the first few weeks. You know, when the mother’s hormones (yes that the infant has been exposed to inutero) changes the composition of the milk being delivered to the infant.

I’d like to see this data and I am sure many would. Have you seen any of that data jj?

jj are you seriously comparing the breastmilk produced by a lactating mother and milk that could be produced by chemically inducing lactation in a transwoman? Why would a transwoman want or need to breastfeed a baby?

And does this apply to any women on medication, or just trans women?

And you know that breastfeeding women are usually incredibly careful of what medications they are taking while breastfeeding, right?

And you know that the birth mothers hormones are already exposed to the baby they have just given birth to, right?

And does this apply to any women on medication, or just trans women?

Well obviously this is going to need to be made open to all males, the most obvious group here being fathers. All fathers should be made aware that they can breast feed, and have drugs and support to do so.

They'd probably need to take hormones for 2/3 years first to develop the necessary tissue which would very likely make them infertile and impotent so its not likely to be very popular.

So they would approve of breastfeeding mums taking drugs then?

Just to say that adoptive mothers can induce lactation, without any hormones, they might not bring in a full supply, but they can often produce some; this can include mothers who have never given birth as well as those who have given birth and have breastfed before., women can relactate after not initiating breastfeeding at birth. So grandmothers can already bring in a milk supply, but it takes time and is quite a task to do so and maintain it. Women's bodies are amazing

If this is going to be opened to any males then obviously it will be open to all males for equality reasons.

Absolutely. And I hope they know that.

And that their raison d'etre could quite easily go straight down the swanny.

Justice:

I'd add as another dangerous scenario 3) Male ex partners who would see a useful way to gain contact, compete for child residency and to gain further control over their child's mother. About five minutes on the relationships board would evidence plenty of men who would have no trouble seeing the opportunities here.

If this is going to be opened to any males then obviously it will be open to all males for equality reasons.