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Virginity check? WHY!!!

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Tairbear · 27/11/2020 11:32

I have the YOUGOV survey app

And this morning I'm alarmed by this question... can anyone shed some light on why this service maybe needed? Under what circumstances? It's honestly floored me

Virginity check? WHY!!!
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PlanDeRaccordement · 27/11/2020 16:54

@endofthelinefinally

Exactly. The test is offered to men so thst men can force women to take it.
Sadly. I’ve read many case briefs and it is just as frequently the grandmothers, mothers and aunts that are forcing these girls. They had it done to them and so think what was necessary for them is necessary for their younger female relatives. In some cultures the person carrying out the tests is a midwife or other female as well.
PlanDeRaccordement · 27/11/2020 16:48

@AishaD

I cannot believe that in the 21st century, in one of the most civilised countries on earth, I still have to live in a society where almost 25% of the responders strongly support this... It's incredibly depressing 😢
The 25% are in support of banning it, not doing it. The question and poll are badly worded.
JustSay · 27/11/2020 16:34

Aisha there is a lot of ignorant white british men who are pro virginity and many asian and african people in the uk who, even if born in the uk, still carry out anf believe this shit. I am not surprised.

JustSay · 27/11/2020 16:31

Terrible wording. Im surprised you're surprised this happens. In many cultures women and girls are killed for being a non virgin. Some are virgings with damaged or stretchy hymens some were raped. If clinics don't do it then female elders or midwifes/doulas would do it. It's absolute shite and degrading.

OneLinePlease · 27/11/2020 16:27

Holy crap.

That's terrible. I feel naive not realising such a test existed.

I felt my hymen tear while climbing as a teen. Suspected that's what it was and check wiping with toilet paper and there was a tiny amount of blood and wasn't my period.

Makes my blood run cold to think of what some poor girls must be accused of - as I was very much a virgin for years after that. But my vagina would've failed a test.

AishaD · 27/11/2020 16:22

I cannot believe that in the 21st century, in one of the most civilised countries on earth, I still have to live in a society where almost 25% of the responders strongly support this... It's incredibly depressing 😢

Duckwit · 27/11/2020 16:14

How is this not already totally illegal? Confused

scrivette · 27/11/2020 16:12

Oh... I did the survey really quickly and completely misread the question. Blush

VulvaPerson · 27/11/2020 16:03

Don't see the needed. Plus obviously hymen can break without any sex being had. So some women will be 'accused' of not being virgins, just because they use tampons or something.

ClinkeyMonkey · 27/11/2020 15:19

@Respectabitch
Yes, you're right of course.

Respectabitch · 27/11/2020 14:30

@ErrolTheDragon

That's awful - both that this ludicrous, meaningless, degrading, 100% misogynistic and controlling test isn't already banned in the U.K., but also that the survey question was so badly worded - either someone who didn't really care about girls and women, or deliberately misleading.
It's much more likely that somebody junior had a load of survey questions to turn out today and failed to realise how easy it was to misread this one. Hanlon's Razor. I'm not saying that surveys aren't often run with the express purpose of getting a statistic to peg a campaign or article to, but writing confusingly phrased questions like this isn't really how you'd go about it, because some people will read it right and some wrong so it'll end up so muddled it gives you no clear result either way.
ErrolTheDragon · 27/11/2020 14:18

That's awful - both that this ludicrous, meaningless, degrading, 100% misogynistic and controlling test isn't already banned in the U.K., but also that the survey question was so badly worded - either someone who didn't really care about girls and women, or deliberately misleading.

mads2750 · 27/11/2020 14:14

@93daisy

Is there a way to report/feedback on the question on the app you have just to highlight that it should be rewritten to avoid confusion and people who oppose potentially answering in a supporting way. It would be terrible if the data was used to support 'a need/want' for such services that could put women at risk of honour killings, violence or being disowned even if they have not had sex (not that it should even matter if if they have as this is no person other than the woman's business anyway). I do also see another posters point about if it wasnt in clinics it would be in someones living room secretly, I suppose one additional benefit of occuring in clinics means there is more chance for professionals to raise safeguarding concerns though I feel that providing this on NHS/clinics is normalising the inspection as it makes it appear acceptable which it should not be.
I've reported it through the website 'contact us' button
mads2750 · 27/11/2020 14:04

@Respectabitch

That's a badly phrased question - it would be easy to miss the words "a ban" and respond the opposite way to your real views.

(/methodology nerd)

I totally did this! Sad
Kantastic · 27/11/2020 13:45

I am wondering if it was phrased in a confusing way on purpose so that they could manufacture evidence of people supporting "virginity tests."

Maybe YouGov wouldn't do that? I have very little faith in any institutions these days.

endofthelinefinally · 27/11/2020 13:24

Exactly.
The test is offered to men so thst men can force women to take it.

93daisy · 27/11/2020 13:23

Is there a way to report/feedback on the question on the app you have just to highlight that it should be rewritten to avoid confusion and people who oppose potentially answering in a supporting way. It would be terrible if the data was used to support 'a need/want' for such services that could put women at risk of honour killings, violence or being disowned even if they have not had sex (not that it should even matter if if they have as this is no person other than the woman's business anyway). I do also see another posters point about if it wasnt in clinics it would be in someones living room secretly, I suppose one additional benefit of occuring in clinics means there is more chance for professionals to raise safeguarding concerns though I feel that providing this on NHS/clinics is normalising the inspection as it makes it appear acceptable which it should not be.

Respectabitch · 27/11/2020 13:07

I would question whether women are being offered this test. It's more likely that they are forced or feel pressurised to take it.

Well, the clinics are offering the test. (If they deserve to be called "clinics".) They aren't the ones pressuring the women - that would be their families and the men in their lives.

TheSpottedZebra · 27/11/2020 13:04

That's a badly phrased question - it would be easy to miss the words "a ban" and respond the opposite way to your real views.

So much this! This question has clearly not been written by anyone with an ounce of experience, or knowledge of research. Which makes me question the motives yet more.

MammothMashup · 27/11/2020 13:00

This is sexual assault.

MammothMashup · 27/11/2020 13:00

Wtf?!

Imnobody4 · 27/11/2020 12:36

The BBC identified 21 clinics and managed to make inquiries with 16 of them, seven confirmed they offer "virginity testing" and several others would not clarify their position.

All said they would carry out hymen-repair surgery, which costs in the region of £1,500 to £3,000. Data from NHS England shows 69 hymen-repair procedures have been carried out in the past five years.

Medicine has become an ethics free zone. I'm sure some will say it's all to protect women from abuse but they should be educating that virginity tests are unscientific and shouting about this misogyny instead of just pocketing the money.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 27/11/2020 12:35

*It's an examination to check whether the HYMEN is intact. Not human, obviously.

ClinkeyMonkey · 27/11/2020 12:27

Sorry, bold fail!!

... whether women are being offered ...

ClinkeyMonkey · 27/11/2020 12:26

I'm not keen on how that BBC article is worded. I would question whether women* are being offered* this test. It's more likely that they are forced or feel pressurised to take it. The idea that the service is offered to women suggests that they make a choice to have it - like choosing to have a manicure or lip fillers or the flu jab.

That aside, I don't care what people's religious practices are - this is a disgraceful indignity to subject any woman or girl to. Once again, something which makes women feel less, wanting, and inferior.

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