Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

Including that expecting trans people to debate is transphobic and so is excluding them from debate.

I didn't get that far! Superb.

Absolutely- if violent men listened to feminists we could all pack up and go home!

[quote Stealhsquirrelnutkin]Thanks for the link Melroses that was a very good article.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-disgraceful-crusade-against-the-lgb-alliance

I suspect that the torrent of narc rage unleashed on the LGB Alliance is proof that our self proclaimed overlords are feeling threatened.

As we've all seen so many times before, in the face of the sunlight of civilised and rational debate their garbled nonsense self combusts. It's really good when that happens, because each time more bystanders stop, stare, and get themselves an education.

Speaking of which, has anyone read the Wings over Scotland article that showcases other episodes of the same behaviour? It's fascinating.

wingsoverscotland.com/the-worst-people-in-scotland/

And if you can bring yourself to read it the "working definition of transphobia" compiled by Transactual is very enlightening. I think it should be printed out and sent to every household, it's nearly as priceless as the manifesto that Action For Trans Health proudly released in 2017.

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That transphobic definition should definitely be spread far and wide.

It needs to be read by everyone.

Including that expecting trans people to debate is transphobic and so is excluding them from debate.

What testing says! If women have this magical power to remotely turn on male violence, how come we've never used it to turn the violence off? Afte all, we're by far its commonest victims. Just count the deaths.

No-one took action to stop aggressive banging on windows when some women did manage to have a meeting.

I’ll never forget being at the Speakers Corner meeting in its hastily arranged new venue & listening to the yells from outside of ‘BURN IT DOWN’.

I guess they make that quite explicit in “encouraging or facilitating proxy violence against trans people”.

I love how they don't notice the contradictions in this. Women have struggled to find public venues that will host their meetings.

No-one took action to stop aggressive banging on windows when some women did manage to have a meeting.

As far as I know no sport has explicitly said that they will use the Equality Act exemptions to allow women only sport, even in rugby where it's dangerous.

Women have so far failed to get all men out of women's prisons.

We can't even put a poster up saying we love a famous writer.

Yet our words and meetings are causing people to be attacked? When the most women are saying is that they want their legal rights respected.

Interesting phrasing. Katie Dolatowski attacked a young girl in a toilet, & that’s the first example off the top of my head - do they honestly think it makes a difference to women & girls whether someone with ‘nefarious purposes’ is genuinely trans or just pretending to be?

A magnificently restrained piece of understatement, winesalot.

I just find them so dim. It's not a definition of transphobia at all.
It's just a list of all the things gender critical women do (as they see it).

They might believe those things are fuelled by a dislike of trans people, but they haven't said that.

It's like defining misogyny as saying girls shouldn't play football. That's a consequence of prejudice it's not a definition.

To clarify isn’t this a bit misogynistic?, I was understating a bit.

That definition a very interesting read.

It’s not nearly as deranged as the action for trans health manifesto, though, that’s still my all time favourite.

”This is the classic tactic of haters, fascists and others and has been throughout history” is cracking. Rik from the Young Ones would thoroughly approve.

”Of course there are also men who are transphobic” is a fantastic little aside that does a lot of heavy lifting. It hides the reality of actual acts of transphobic violence which are committed, as are the vast majority of acts of violence in general by men, and slips it behind the much more extensive analysis of why what women say is the real danger. I really don’t think violently transphobic men are beating up and murdering trans people because of feminist theories of sex and gender, but you wouldn’t conclude that from reading this document. I guess they make that quite explicit in “encouraging or facilitating proxy violence against trans people”.

Ach, I give up. I was going to keep analysing it, but to be honest it’s depressing me, and we can just leave it as a PP already said “isn’t this a bit misogynistic?”

Yes. Yes, it is.

Wow Stealhsquirrelnutkin, that 'what is transphobia' list is quite illuminating. Amazing that the most important issues that adversely affect trans people's lives (employment, access to housing etc) are almost throwaway comments right at the very end.

Is it just me or does that transphobia definition come across as more than a little misogynistic?

Oh stealth that "what is transphobia" is quite brilliant in a way. They've got it all arse about tit. (God knows what made that phrase pop into my head!)

Thanks for the link Melroses that was a very good article.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-disgraceful-crusade-against-the-lgb-alliance

I suspect that the torrent of narc rage unleashed on the LGB Alliance is proof that our self proclaimed overlords are feeling threatened.

As we've all seen so many times before, in the face of the sunlight of civilised and rational debate their garbled nonsense self combusts. It's really good when that happens, because each time more bystanders stop, stare, and get themselves an education.

Speaking of which, has anyone read the Wings over Scotland article that showcases other episodes of the same behaviour? It's fascinating.

wingsoverscotland.com/the-worst-people-in-scotland/

And if you can bring yourself to read it the "working definition of transphobia" compiled by Transactual is very enlightening. I think it should be printed out and sent to every household, it's nearly as priceless as the manifesto that Action For Trans Health proudly released in 2017.

archive.is/qGhPf#selection-989.138-989.156

Genital preferences are not widely considered to be transphobic, no-one condones coercing or guilt-tripping anyone into having sex with them. Sure, every group has its idiots, especially on anonymous social media, but its not difficult to find the grown-ups, if you are so inclined.

LGBA are "hounded" b/c they are constantly gunning for trans people and their rights in any and every conceivable way. If they didn't do this all day, every day, they might even just be ignored as just a rather dull bunch of conservative homosexuals.

The main LGB Alliance has 32k subs, and that includes many openly straight allies. But even supposing they were all L, G or B, 32k is not very impressive. The Vauxhall Tavern has 20k. Pride London has 80k. And despite what you might think of their politics, Stonewall has over 200k

As for LGB Ireland, USA, etc. there aren't many new members, it's all recycled subs.

twtext.com/article/1330480707043471360

This site shows basic analysis of various LGB hubs' memberships. It is all the same people, and the vast majority of them are UK based.

I have to say, I used to really enjoy going to the Vauxhall Tavern, and supported it, every time various developers tried to shut it down and use the site for some new project. Next time the developers take a swing at it, I will be there cheering the developers on as it's turned into heritage-style flats.

Utter gobshites.

In Britain, in 2020, a gay-rights group is being hounded for daring to promote the virtues of same-sex attraction. Mobs of angry people are trying to destroy it. They’ve branded it hateful, disgusting, dangerous. They have even tried to bankrupt it. For the ‘crime’ of saying it’s fine that people of the same sex are attracted to each other, this group has become the target of one of the most vicious campaigns of the year.

Welcome to 'the right side of history'.

[quote MadBadDaddy]@Datun
Start another topic if you want[/quote]
I'll take that as a no.

I'd also just point out that conversion therapy isn't defined as 'allowing children to go through the natural process of developing physically, emotionally and mentally, to become a mature adult'.

This is why the LGBT community complained

If by "the LGB community complained", you mean "the LGB community have been so encouraged that they've set up LGB Alliance branches in many other countries, and the UK branch continues to grow" then, yes, you are absolutely right, MadBadDaddy.

Love the directive spin on 'merely talking' versus 'furious, insult-spewing' BTW

The emotive language spins on here to force a narrative or take always interests me too, done a lot on here by the same people
Depending on what is being referred to it's "merely talking" or "angry spewing" or "rage filled" etc even when you (general you) are just expressing a different view, you're apparently angry

@Datun
Start another topic if you want

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer
I know you like popping up with your wry comments but if you're uniformed or have never met anyone who has undergone involuntary conversion or aversion therapy (as I have) I seriously advise you to either not bother or at least moderate your raffish tone. It is literal torture and seems to be a lot of ignorant pundits' 'solution' to children presenting with Gender Dysphoria.

Still can't answer that question MBD?

The hatred for this group is intense. The efforts to cancel LGB Alliance – by branding it a ‘hate group’, depriving it of opportunities to raise money, and robbing it of the oxygen of publicity – are out of control.