Gay men's magazine bullied into grovelling

Also, given the prevalence of watching porn among children as young as 10 because it’s available on your phone (and by the age of 14, nearly all kids will have viewed porn, often violent stuff), the school needs to focus on the mutual respect stuff and dispel the myth that all girls love choking and anal and being passed around 4 guys that’s spread via porn.

I hope this thread is widely seen. I also hope that readers pick up on both the push for hygienic sex toys as a part of inclusiveness for young children (I mean wtf) and the back tracking.

I think the children of the women on this board are safe in that they have parents who will enforce both a) the aspect of safety, tolerance and love and b) the aspect of boundaries, the right to say no and the dangers of pornography.

What worries me is the children of the “kind” people who haven’t thought this through and believe that porn, anal sex without explaining the risks and sex toys are a part of inclusivity.

As a lesbian who is a parent and teaches SRE I can assure people that children are not taught about sex positions / strap ons or any other boundary breaching behaviours other than mentioning something as part of age appropriate discussions about consent and how to ensure children aren't groomed into participating in harmful behaviours.

Unless of course the school has handed over responsibility to the Proud Trust or any other organisations who appear to be under the misapprehension that LGBT inclusive SRE is about teaching sexual positions, fetishes and all manner of adult sexual interests to non consenting children.

I think most on here are absolutely fine with kids being taught how gay people have sex too. What’s not fine is the tone taken by those who want to push various fetishes on kids or potentially dangerous practices (eg fisting) and trying to dress it up as being progressive and that any dissent is due to homophobia.

You're the one who keeps talking about fisting. I was talking about very common ways LGB people have sex, anal sex being one, and use of toys being another. These are not fetishes.

That doesn't require a graphic 'how to' on anal and oral. It requires a simple 'anal is when the penis is inserted in someone's anus' and 'oral is when the penis is inserted in someone's mouth' if anyone in the lesson is unsure - and then onto the diseases.

So that's it? Sex is when a penis is inserted in a vagina, this must be consensual and can cause pregnancy and disease. Here ends your sex education syllabus.

Of course you need to understand the mechanics of sex to understand how to use condoms. Do you want young people coming out of RSE lessons thinking it's okay not to use a condom if they have anal sex (which they will have heard about and likely seen in porn) because there's no pregnancy risk?

How to have sex safely covers diseases as well as pregnancy though doesn't it? It clearly covers when a condom is necessary. As the condom class will include the information that it is there to prevent disease as well, it will come with the information that they are necessary for anal and oral as well.

That doesn't require a graphic 'how to' on anal and oral. It requires a simple 'anal is when the penis is inserted in someone's anus' and 'oral is when the penis is inserted in someone's mouth' if anyone in the lesson is unsure - and then onto the diseases.

Teaching safe sex is really not that complicated, stop pretending it is.

Another useful, if depressing, thread. Hopefully viewed by some of the 14 million unique users.

Sorry but how precisely did you get taught ‘how to do sex’? I think there were diagrams in our books and stuff but I cannot ever recall instructions of how to ‘do’ sex.

As in, PIV. You get told what goes where and what happens.
You don't get told any gay equivalent (for want of a better phrase!) eg anal and on this thread it's a fetish or something not to be spoken about.

By calling what most of us can see is grooming lgb sex education you are muddying the waters and doing a massive disservice to lgb people.
The pushback is against age inappropriate materials, nothing to do with lgb.
Shame on you

As I said seems pretty clear many people object to LGB inclusive edcuation, so to go back to the subject of this thread, it is unsurprising many LGB people have raised cocerns about the gender critical movement.

What on earth are you talking about?

What do you mean by L, for instance? Do you mean two males fellating each other? Or a male and a female trying to get pregnant?

I'd be interested to hear what any gay people on the thread think about the apparent drive to brand all gay sex as some kind of kink, which requires the addition of hygienic implements of some description.

safe sex and the consequences of sex are discussed in RSE and that's about condoms and the pill and the right to say no and how it's OK to be same sex attracted - not much in the way of 'mechanics' there.

Of course you need to understand the mechanics of sex to understand how to use condoms. Do you want young people coming out of RSE lessons thinking it's okay not to use a condom if they have anal sex (which they will have heard about and likely seen in porn) because there's no pregnancy risk?

So I absolutely think that when sex is talked about that it should include anal or lesbian sex too but beyond that I don’t think it’s for schools to instruct pupils on how to have sex (positions, sex toys etc).

Sorry that was to littledog, cross post

Supporting children being taught about how LGB people have sex is grooming now it it? Okay, I think society has been here once before.

No. Indoctrinating children that they should be prepared to participate in all kinks is grooming.

The idea that all LGB sex involves kink (Eg hygienic strap ons) is, I would imagine, pretty homophobic.

Don’t turn it around on me

I said earlier that I would call the police if someone taught my child about using a strap on hygennically at school

Who are you talking about grooming though?
Who's grooming?
You seem to think that talking about gay sex is grooming, which does come across as homophobia

Quasars. Jumping to conclusions that I think gay sex is a fetish.
How you can extrapolate that from my post is a mystery to me. Nice job trying to twist what I wrote. Read it again please.

There is a difference between more inclusive education and advocating kids watching porn in school, as Dr Christian Jessen has done.

Dear God. Showing a lot of teenage boys, and girls, pornography in school.

Ugh.

Pressed too soon
As in fair point about the porn