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Interesting comment from Women's Aid on latest ONS stats on domestic violence

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stumbledin · 25/11/2020 20:05

" ... An estimated 1.6 million women have experienced domestic abuse in the year ending March 2020 with young women aged 16-24 years continuing to be the age group at most risk. The ONS only collects data on victims up to the age of 74, however domestic abuse affects all age groups, including older women.

The official prevalence data has important information missing. While the prevalence estimates show the sex of the victim, they do not show the sex of the perpetrators. The estimates do not tell who is experiencing abuse as part of pattern of coercive control, or who is experiencing repeated abuse. The estimates do not tell us who is harmed and how severe it was (physical or psychological). It is vital to describe context and impact. For instance, the perpetrator who encounters resistance to the abuse could be counted as a victim. We know from other research that once all this important information is included, the gendered nature of the crime becomes increasingly clear. ... "

www.womensaid.org.uk/womens-aid-responds-to-the-latest-ons-stats-on-domestic-abuse/

Well the point seemed to be quite valid and important but undermined by finishing it off by using the phrase "gendered nature".

If they are not recording sex who can they be getting accurate information, and also is they go down the gender identity route there will appear to be an "increase" in domestic violence by same sex partners.

So we are caught again between established but not very thought through procedures, meeting pressure from trans activists to record sex not gender.

And, cannot understand why anyone thought they should record stats for domestic violence for women over 74? ???????

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Angryresister · 25/11/2020 22:32

melroses yes where I live not Uk most were older or elderly women , and yes often murdered by sons And brothers.

OvaHere · 25/11/2020 21:36

Overall, I was also shocked at the number of sons involved.

I felt like that last year. As someone with several sons it was quite sobering. Of course I'd like to think none of my three would do that but statistically my odds won't be great when compared with mothers of daughters.

Melroses · 25/11/2020 21:27

There were women over 80 on the Counting Dead Women twitter today.

Overall, I was also shocked at the number of sons involved.

LouHotel · 25/11/2020 20:58

I'm actually stunned they dont record abuse of women over 74. I dont think I've seen such a clear as day decision that shows how women are discarded once we have completed our 'purpose' of birthing and rearing children. Presumably they also realise that women over 74 most likely make up a large proportion of carers for elderly men and we cant have them gaining independence and leaving it to the state.

StillWeRise · 25/11/2020 20:37

Where there are people there are social constructs, it's what makes us human Grin
some social constructs are better than others, is all
and yes, of course they should be recording the sex of the perpetrator- I can't really believe they don't

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stumbledin · 25/11/2020 20:21

MyMajesty - you are of course right Ma'am!

Well we will have to agree to disagree about "gendered nature".

If you believe that women are oppressed as a sex class by men as a sex class, that started long before any "social constructs" and I think in the context of the crime they are recording totally the wrong word.

And how does that word work for those cases recorded of men experiencing domestic violence from a female partner?

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MyMajesty · 25/11/2020 20:17

The sex of the perpetrator is important.
Theories about possible reasons follow from that.
It's clear what's meant, to those who have sense but that seems to be fewer and fewer people these days.

StillWeRise · 25/11/2020 20:14

they are talking about the gendered nature of the crime not the gender identity of the perpetrator or victim.
This is appropriate use of the word, in my opinion. It's gender (the social expectations associated with a sex class) that is at the root of men's violence against women. There's nothing inherently violent on the Y chromosome. It's what our society teaches those with it that they can ans should do.

MyMajesty · 25/11/2020 20:13

cannot understand why anyone thought they should record stats for domestic violence for women over 74? ???????

You mean cannot understand why they thought they shouldn't record those stats??

Tartyflette · 25/11/2020 20:13

I thought it was clear that in this context, 'the gendered nature' of the crime means pertaining to males.

Sometimesonly · 25/11/2020 20:08

What's wrong with gendered nature?