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International day for the elimination of violence against women

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Kit19 · 25/11/2020 11:30

refreshingly for the UN they seem to be talking about women and girls....

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Iamanaubergine · 25/11/2020 19:09

God that independent article has really enraged me Angry and Olivia Coleman! So disappointed. Why does every single women’s event have to centre transwomen??

itsadress · 25/11/2020 19:06

Clearly a very unfashionable cause. Bloody joke!

Doyoumind · 25/11/2020 18:54

So, The Independent has taken the opportunity today to print fake news suggesting it isn't actually females who face the threat of violence and murder. We aren't at as great a risk as TW apparently. Who knew? We must all have misinterpreted the stats.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/olivia-colman-jameela-jamil-paloma-faith-trans-women-letter-b1761714.html

Tanith · 25/11/2020 18:35

I've just seen PMQ.
Keir Starmer started by drawing attention to the Day and mentioning the appalling statistics of domestic violence against women.
It's usual for the reply from his opponent to acknowledge what was said and to add their own comment in agreement, but Boris Johnson failed to do so.

SophocIestheFox · 25/11/2020 17:00

Flowers to all those thinking today about the devastating impact that violence against women has had on their lives.

ArabellaScott · 25/11/2020 16:54
  • and Amnesty can fxck right off forever.
ArabellaScott · 25/11/2020 16:52

My local police force have put up a facebook post about it. Depressingly, a large proportion of the comments are 'what about the men' and complaints that they're ignoring and belittling male victims of domestic violence, statements that it's not a gendered issue, etc. A few women are arguing, but it's fucking miserable that we can't even ask for women to stop being killed without people jumping in with this sht, every time.

Duckwit · 25/11/2020 16:47

I had a look Angela Rayner's twitter thinking that IDEVAW probably wasn't worth an entire video, but that there might be a token tweet or even retweet to raise awareness of what happens to women.

Nothing....

Still at least might have got her pat on the head from the men the other day, good girl Angela.

Nothing either from 'passionate feminist' Owen Jones. I guess when it's so important to remember all zero trans people who were murdered last year, who gives a fuck about women eh?

The Counting Dead Women twitter feed is so powerful today, its quite overwhelming to read really Sad

stumbledin · 25/11/2020 16:37

Sigh!

There has really got to be some sort of wholesale re-education about this sloppy use of the word gender.

Most who are using it are probably unaware, but by having it constantly misused daily actually makes talking about sex based rights even more of an uphill struggle than it already is.

We need a feed up emoji

turnitonagain · 25/11/2020 15:47

www.instagram.com/p/CIAuNLmAKJH/?igshid=oby3nxrevgpw

From Justin Welby

NewlyGranny · 25/11/2020 14:46

Amnxsty getting a pasting - rightly - on Twxttxr for their shenanigans. This is a passing phase that will feature in a chapter or two in history books in a decade or two. People will find it hard to believe that it isn't an urban myth.

Please.

stumbledin · 25/11/2020 14:35

I think (having skim read the comments so far) that this reflects how lazy the media is. In fact 25th November has been used by many women's organisations to stand up for the rights of women not to live a live in fear of male violence.

And it wouldn't take them hard to report on the work of these women's groups instead of empty gestures by big organisations.

More worrying is that more women aren't aware of not just the 25th November that that it is the start of 16 Days of Activism Against Violence Against Women. (And yes some people did start talking about gender without realising it was part of the trans agenda).

There are loads of links if you care to google, but as I have these to hand:

16 Days of Action for the Elimination of Violence Against Women – 25 November to 10 December
womensgrid 16 November 2020 16 Days of Action for the Elimination of Violence Against Women – 25 November to 10 December2020-11-16T17:38:45+00:00 16 Days, Global, Violence Against Women, Virtual

25 Nov International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women
01 Dec World AIDS Day
06 Dec Anniversary of the Montreal Massacre
10 Dec International Human Rights Day
www.womensgrid.org.uk/?p=13534

Also has a calendar of events (mostly online this year)
www.womensgrid.org.uk/?p=13551

Although White Ribbon Day was meant to be specifically about men showing that they were taking a stand against male violence - hence the White Ribbon Campaign which was briefly trendy with football clubs but I think has fallen off the posture agenda. www.whiteribbon.org.uk/

GrandmaMazur · 25/11/2020 14:32

An article on the BBC website today about the increase in domestic abuse during the pandemic has spectacularly managed to avoid mentioning who the majority of the victims are.

Duckwit · 25/11/2020 14:31

Although you're absolutely right, I think this is one of those contexts where using the word 'sex' might confuse the issue if it's interpreted as referring to sexual violence rather than violence of all types by men on women.

Yes that's true I guess. But then, it's the Labour Party so who knows!

Beamur · 25/11/2020 14:10

Amnesty can piss right off.
They're not getting much love for their tweet either.
Isn't womxn an inherently racist term as - please correct me if I'm wrong - it was coined to include black women? Which is fundamentally unnecessary.

MaudTheInvincible · 25/11/2020 14:03

Thanks for all victims and survivors of sex-based violence.

Violence against women and girls is frankly encouraged by a state which doesn't even include gynophobia in its anti-hate legislation, to all intents and purposes has decriminalised rape, and believes that consent can be bought in Leeds.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/11/2020 14:01

The Labour Party have tweeted as well. And have called it 'gender based violence'. Which is strange because I'm pretty sure that when, for example, Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head, it was nowt to do with how she 'identified' and everything to do with the fact that she is of the female sex and has a female body.

Although you're absolutely right, I think this is one of those contexts where using the word 'sex' might confuse the issue if it's interpreted as referring to sexual violence rather than violence of all types by men on women.

midgebabe · 25/11/2020 13:50

Daffodilto all those who have been affected my Male violence against women

midgebabe · 25/11/2020 13:49

Would womxxm not be better?

Duckwit · 25/11/2020 13:49

The Labour Party have tweeted as well. And have called it 'gender based violence'. Which is strange because I'm pretty sure that when, for example, Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head, it was nowt to do with how she 'identified' and everything to do with the fact that she is of the female sex and has a female body.

Still plenty of TRAs on the tweet making all about them again as usual as well.

All women

Oh fuck off.

International day for the elimination of violence against women
VulvaPerson · 25/11/2020 13:46

@gardenbird48

twitter.com/amnesty/status/1331545019744980993

the contribution from Amnesty - what is a womxn when it's at home?

Fucks sake, I swear they are just openly trolling now.

Mind, we do know woman is a dirty word these days of course

It should be "elimination of violence by violent people. Most of whom are XY." Catchy title, eh?

Wish I was quicker at thinking, as this would have been an interesting one to try on him.

334bu · 25/11/2020 13:45

Flowers For the lovely woman who babysat my children RIP.

gardenbird48 · 25/11/2020 13:33

[quote Chersfrozenface]At least the Royal College of Midwives uses the word 'women' (though possibly in a limited and specific way). Check out the quote from Gill Walton, the Chief Exec, in this press release
www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/leading-colleges-launch-joint-campaign-to-tackle-domestic-violence-in-pandemic/[/quote]
it's probably been mentioned before but Macmillan Cancer charity has no mention of women at all with the entry for Cervical Cancer (apparently 'people' get cervical cancer') yet men get penile and prostate cancer Hmm .

Changing info and websites generally takes meetings and discussion. So in the meeting where they discussed updating the website and someone says,
'right, I think we should change the sex specific references on the website for 'inclusion'.'
'ok, what pages are there then?' 'well, we've got 'women' in cervical cancer' 'ok, let's change that for inclusion - there are countless people with cervices that aren't women and we need to include them - any more?' 'well, we've got 'men' in prostate cancer' 'hmm, that's a tricky one, I can't think of anyone who doesn't identify as a man and also has a prostate gland, let's leave that one in' 'penile cancer?' 'yes leave that too'. ok, thanks everyone, good meeting. bye.

even more bizarrely, if they are thinking 'inclusion' there are far more transwomen with prostates that need to be included than transmen (especially with intact cervices, as a number of them seem to have to have their cervix removed due to atrophy and agonising pain)

fatblackcatspaw · 25/11/2020 13:28

I suggest hopping over the Bank of England twitter and asking what they are doing to mark this day... nothing on on it so far after lighting up Threadneedle st for Trans Awareness

yourhairiswinterfire · 25/11/2020 13:26

@gardenbird48

Sir K. has done a little tweet - no video yet though..... maybe he's still doing his make up and it's going to be a biggie??
I closed the twitter tab when I saw the very first reply to it. Entirely predictable. I think I'm going to give twitter a wide berth today, just focus on women and girls without being distracted by brats.