International day for the elimination of violence against women

I'm fucking fuming at that 'open letter'. How dare they dismiss the suffering of girls and women all over the world in that way, today was not the day. I can't say much more than that, I can't really believe it to be honest!

And the absolute gall of Olivia Colman and the rest of her pals. So disgusting.

The Independent's a day early with marking the International Day For the Elimination of Women.

[quote Doyoumind]So, The Independent has taken the opportunity today to print fake news suggesting it isn't actually females who face the threat of violence and murder. We aren't at as great a risk as TW apparently. Who knew? We must all have misinterpreted the stats.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/olivia-colman-jameela-jamil-paloma-faith-trans-women-letter-b1761714.html[/quote]
This really takes the .

And not a word, still less a specially recorded message, from Angela Rayner.

And the anti-women activists who choose to plague this board with their snivelling dishonesty have my undying scorn and disgust.

Yup. I said on the other thread-they were here a few days ago lecturing us to organise our own day if we were so bothered by women being killed.

Today was that day and we've had men crying because they weren't the centre of attention, organisations using fucking 'wxmxn' because they can't drop the misogyny for 12 goddamn hours, and more propaganda being promoted by ''feminist'' celebrities pretending transwomen are being slaughtered left right and centre and we should be focusing our attention on them instead

That's what happens when women organise our own day. Fucking sick of it.

From the letter: "Trans women are more likely to be murdered, more likely to be victims of violent attacks in their own homes, and more likely to be homeless, again increasing the risk of violence, than their cis sisters."

Why is the Independent printing something so blatantly untrue? Even in quotes? I don't understand it.

OC's name really sticks out like a sore thumb.

We're expected to lie and pander and accept having our rights stripped and be basically trolled by articles like that and orgs like the UN with a smile on our faces.

I feel the same. It's shit. Fuck them all.

And the anti-women activists who choose to plague this board with their snivelling dishonesty have my undying scorn and disgust. Fuck them too.

Is the definition of "civil debate" different for women? Women disagreeing with dickpandering, women centring women, women asserting themselves on the one day of the fucking year when the focus is on violence against women, is that all uncivil? The people who wrote that letter and the people who pulled the thread (or had it pulled) need to examine their consciences. They also need to ask themselves whether TRAs would engage in "civil debate" if feminists (not the dickpandering sort) had hijacked Trans Day of Remembrance with a letter to a newspaper about the violence inflicted on women and girls. I think we all know the answer to that. I expect this post, if not the whole thread, will get pulled, but right now I am beyond furious and I need to get this off my chest.

Has everyone seen this? (couldnt see it anywhere else)

Not in the spirit of civil debate apparently.
The article itself is not contributing to civil debate because its a steaming pile of absolute bullshit.
Dont expect I will be around here much longer.
We're expected to lie and pander and accept having our rights stripped and be basically trolled by articles like that and orgs like the UN with a smile on our faces.
Whats happening to women is not civil.
Its sick.
That letter is sick and all the people who signed it should be ashamed.

I didn’t see anything dodgy or untrue in that thread that was pulled.. although there was healthy disagreement with a few celebs who are proudly centring TW on a day about VAWG.

@Duckwit

Why on earth was the thread about the open letter deleted?

I got deleted a couple of days ago for using the same phrase. If the boot fits, wear it, I say.

That wasn’t my post with links about supporting individual women sorry Moptop- mine has examples of obligations to act against VAWG under the Istanbul convention- useful to note as a lever to hold UK government organisations to account since we’re signatory to that convention.

Why on earth was the thread about the open letter deleted?

"Every day in Germany a man tries to kill his partner or ex-partner. One in three attempts is successful."
www.dw.com/en/germany-sees-high-numbers-in-femicide/a-55555702

Ah, thank you Chatty. I missed your message (must learn to type faster!)

The Independent article was on a thread that has for some reason been deleted Someone (Chattylion maybe?) had posted a really useful link but I wasn't quick enough to catch it. Any chance anyone has it or knows the link I'm referring to? I think it was specifically about supporting women who have experienced violence.

[quote Doyoumind]So, The Independent has taken the opportunity today to print fake news suggesting it isn't actually females who face the threat of violence and murder. We aren't at as great a risk as TW apparently. Who knew? We must all have misinterpreted the stats.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/olivia-colman-jameela-jamil-paloma-faith-trans-women-letter-b1761714.html[/quote]
It is worth scrutinising all of the names on this publicly available list and considering their connections.

I had a post on this on the MN thread which was deleted, linked to that open letter above ... so once again just to commend the Council of Europe on their 16 days of activism at this worrying time of increased violence against women and girls.

www.coe.int/en/web/istanbul-convention/international-day-for-the-elemination-of-vaw

‘The Council of Europe Convention on Preventing and Combating Violence against Women and Domestic Violence, also known as the Istanbul Convention, is ratified by 34 member states. [including the UK]
It offers the most comprehensive legal framework to prevent and combat violence against women and domestic violence and contains a wide range of measures for governments to take, and to involve NGOs, women’s organisations and civil society generally.’

Useful infographics here about what the UK’s obligations are under this:
rm.coe.int/coe-istanbulconvention-infografic-en-r04-v01/1680a06d0d

And here: (and noting that this includes obligation to: ‘Encourage the media and the private sector In setting standards that enhance respectful gender roles and challenge attitudes that excuse violence against women’)
rm.coe.int/coe-istanbulconvention-brochure-en-r03-v01/1680a06d4f

I was just coming back to add another comment and have seen the Independent link.

Am now too depressed to post.

Makes me want to cry.

Although some of the comments are good.

This is exhausting.

'overkilling' is an actual term. That's ... upsetting.

Re Jameela Jamil's letter:

'"Trans women are more likely to be murdered, more likely to be victims of violent attacks in their own homes, and more likely to be homeless, again increasing the risk of violence, than their cis sisters. '

• This isn't true at all, is it? Or are they specifically talking about Brazil or something?

The ways women are killed 😥😥😥

I thought I was logged in there... Was going to steal that twitter comment

Yesterday we remembered all zero transwomen murdered in the UK in the last 12 months. Today we remember the 341? women murdered in the on the last 12 months.