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Joe Wicks and his breastfeeding journey

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IHaveAGreyLamp · 23/11/2020 10:30

Joe Wicks has written in his ‘Wean to 15’ weaning and cookery book about how his wife breastfed their first child. He refers to it as ‘his’ journey- ‘This is just me sharing my experience and journey’. Sorry Joe but what exactly was your breastfeeding journey?

He goes to on preach about how you should just do what’s right for you and your baby, and ignore the opinions of anyone else. Sage advice but I think I would have felt better if it had actually come from his wife (you know, the person of actual experience of breastfeeding and what it’s really like?)

There’s also a lot of ‘we did this’ and ‘we did that’, for example his wife both pumped and breastfed but ‘we found this quite challenging’. Yes Joe I’m sure you did find it quite challenging considering you were neither breastfeeding nor pumping.

I have to say I’ve found myself filled with an irrational rage reading this section of the book. Why couldn’t he have let his wife write this section, to talk about it from a breastfeeding mother’s point of view, rather than a man trying to claim something so inherently biologically female as his? Argh!

Luckily I had only been lent the book to have a look through- I would have been even more annoyed if I’d actually paid £8 to line the pockets of this smug and annoying individual!

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YoniAndGuy · 23/11/2020 11:16

The right kind of engaged dads don't find breastfeeding 'hard' - they do what they can, whenever they can, and they sit back and give space and basically are on hand.

The kind of 'engaged' dads who have issues with it have, in my experience, all been the kind of dads who love being engaged best of all when it's allllll about them.

TheVanguardSix · 23/11/2020 11:16

This guy's really milking what was totally meant to be 15 minutes of fame. Talk about latching on.
Do I get a snare for that? Grin

ancientgran · 23/11/2020 11:15

I've heard of him but haven't seen him or followed him so don't really know anything about him other than he does classes on line.

Choccorocco · 23/11/2020 11:15

Surely anything that supports and normalises breastfeeding is a good thing? If it helps other dads to support their baby’s mother to breastfeed then I think it’s a good thing.

ancientgran · 23/11/2020 11:14

That is all well and lovely having supportive engaged partners but I do think mother's need to have something just for them and their baby of course father's are important but really a journey a faffing journey It doesn't take anything away from the mother's journey, it is a different journey but still a journey.

My husband has been disabled for nearly 30 years, I'd say as his carer I've had a journey but it has been less painful than his but still my journey.

PatriciaPerch · 23/11/2020 11:14

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ancientgran · 23/11/2020 11:12

I went to NCT classes nearly 50 years ago, we had one week that was "dad's night" Breast feeding was covered. I wonder if Ozzie Osbourne remembers? His daughter, from first marriage, was born a few weeks after my son.

Mrsjayy · 23/11/2020 11:11

That is all well and lovely having supportive engaged partners but I do think mother's need to have something just for them and their baby of course father's are important but really a journey a faffing journey Hmm

PatriciaPerch · 23/11/2020 11:10

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PeggyPorschen · 23/11/2020 11:09

Oh YABU

Father tries to get as involved and helpful as he can, and people get offended and he is being mocked or abused.

Father doesn't get involved enough, and people are in uproar about how it is HIS baby too.

I'd rather see a woman with a supporting partner when SHE wants him and need him, even at breastfeeding groups, than a woman left to deal with all the childhood aspect because she is female or left alone in hospital because MEN are the enemy.

We KNOW Joe Wicks didn't breastfeed, he's not pretending he did. So bit YABU

ancientgran · 23/11/2020 11:08

If we want men to be able to support their partners they need to understand, can't see the issue myself.

I fed my 4, one was an EMCS and I woke up to find husband latching baby on, I'd told him I wanted to feed as soon as baby was born, he couldn't do that as she needed checks and such like and I needed sorting out but I was so pleased he supported me and our baby. My first memories of her are me drowsily snuggling with her as she had her first feed with dad keeping us safe.

Mrsjayy · 23/11/2020 11:03

Bless him he is one of "them' he just tries to hard to relate to EVERY THING it must be exhausting!

PurpleHoodie · 23/11/2020 11:00

I agree BlueSkies.

Have women (breastfeeding) only sessions (female partners - lesbian/bi can attend) and separate sessions for the men for "support learning sessions".

GreyishDays · 23/11/2020 10:58

I was just having a vague muse though, I don’t really care either way. Grin

randomsabreuse · 23/11/2020 10:57

I think engaged dads find breastfeeding hard - there's a degree of guilt that they can't properly help, feeling useless (especially with first child as toddler wrangling is obviously useful)!

SpamIAm · 23/11/2020 10:56

My DH's breastfeeding journey mostly involved getting his hand slapped when he tried to touch them.

BlueSkies2020 · 23/11/2020 10:55

YANBU

This is in the same vein as the men who attend breastfeeding support groups. I wanted to tell them to fuck off. To have my (Large) tit hanging out with men present on day 5 when I was in pain and very awkward around position etc, was just awful.

I went to two events and didn’t return because of those men supporting their partners. My husband waited in the car park. Why couldn’t they??

GreyishDays · 23/11/2020 10:53

@IHaveAGreyLamp

‘ I mean it should be tough for him if she’s breastfeeding and pumping, because then he’s looking after the baby when she’s pumping’

@GreyishDays What sorry, it’s tough for him because he might have to look after his own child for a bit whilst she pumps? How awful for him!

You said it was rubbish for him to say “we found it challenging”, but I’m just trying to say it would have been challenging for him too. Unless he’s a dick and just let her do it all. If he’d said he found it no problem, that would be wrong too.
GhostPenguin · 23/11/2020 10:50

I have mixed feelings about this. I agree it would have been nice to have her voice in the book, but then maybe she didn't want to write for it.

On the other hand though I think it's good they view this time as something they did together. My partner was a huge support when I was breastfeeding, getting up with me in the night in the early days when I was finding it hard and in tears, letting me sleep whenever I needed while he had baby even though he was tired too, doing the bulk of cooking and housework. Plus all the logistics around pumping and leaving baby with dad. It was completely a team effort. Of course it's not like that for everyone but maybe it was for them.

Having said all that though, totally agree celebrities writing parenting books is cringe and I'd never buy one!

ChikiTIKI · 23/11/2020 10:50

Just to add, he missed the birth so thankfully I didn't have to hear all about how he pushed the baby out.

GreyishDays · 23/11/2020 10:50

@pinkyredrose

mean it should be tough for him if she’s breastfeeding and pumping, because then he’s looking after the baby when she’s pumping

Say what?

I thought the point was that it’s nothing to do with him. I’m just saying that it should affect him too.
PurpleHoodie · 23/11/2020 10:50

Hhmmmm.

Yes.

I'm not sold on Joe Wicks. Just like I'm not sold on Justin Trudeau.

(Although JT is 1000x worse for International reasons)

ChikiTIKI · 23/11/2020 10:50

@melroses haha brilliant.

Ugh my manager used to say when his girlfriend was pregnant "we're pregnant" 🤦🏼‍♀️ I didn't say anything... 🙄

helloxhristmas · 23/11/2020 10:49

@SittingAround1

Why couldn’t he have let his wife write this section, to talk about it from a breastfeeding mother’s point of view, rather than a man trying to claim something so inherently biologically female as his?

She's probably too tired from all the giving birth, breastfeeding, pumping and generally looking after a newborn.
He needs to make money.

Maybe she didn't want to?
IHaveAGreyLamp · 23/11/2020 10:47

@SittingAround1

Why couldn’t he have let his wife write this section, to talk about it from a breastfeeding mother’s point of view, rather than a man trying to claim something so inherently biologically female as his?

She's probably too tired from all the giving birth, breastfeeding, pumping and generally looking after a newborn.
He needs to make money.

I imagine they’re not too short of money
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