Ooo, Jo Maugham isn't happy...

Maugham's twitter bio: Perform your values.

Still seems ... intemperate to fling about wild accusations like that.

Agreed. It's very unprofessional. Lawyers should be able to look at a topic dispassionately, and obviously he can't do that. It doesn't reflect well on him.

Foxy Kimono

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Thanks, RoyalCorgi. I see that JM knows whom he can slag off with impunity, then. Still seems ... intemperate to fling about wild accusations like that. I think about half an hour with google would show his claims to be nonsense - and yes, it certainly lowers my opinion of the professionalism of lawyers, spreading what sound like rather wild conspiracy theories. But - maybe I'm wrong, maybe he will be happy to provide the receipts about the dark money etc. Did he mention lizards, or was that someone else?

Especially if those individuals, or organisations are being paid for their messages - by government funding.

We need names publicised.

SIL had to push really hard and wait years for an ASD diagnosis for her DS.

I've been waiting to hear from specialists on a GP referral I had in August 2019 - will the Good Law Project take the NHS to court for me?

I agree with whoever said there was editorial pushback on this - you've got the BBC going to LGB Alliance for a quote and the only medical expert quoted is a counter-opinion.

Plus the NHS comment at the end - basically the Vulpine Assassin is wasting tax payers money taking the NHS to court over something they're already looking at.

I'm all in favour of shortening the waiting times for evidence-based care, though.

Who else - individuals, or organisations - are telling parents that their children will commit suicide?

Bit unethical of ITV there, eh?

OvaHere

Seeing as a statistically above average number of children presenting at gender clinics are found to be on the spectrum I suspect earlier diagnosis and support for autism is something that would have a tangible effect on the GIC waiting lists.

Yes.

In fact, I can Jolyon’s court action instigating a move towards all GIDS referrals having to come from CAMHS, who will be tasked with diagnosing comorbid conditions first.

CAMHS is miles off the 18 week wait target as well, of course, but if ‘trans kids’ are on the same waitlist as other kids, it won’t be able to be spun as anti trans discrimination.

Which would be a spectacular backfire on old Foxy Kimono.

BettyDuKeiraBellisMyHero

Thank you - she is doing well. All the best for your daughter.

No JM isn’t going to do the same for other children. Does seem a strange choice for the Good Law Project. On the upside Ben Hunte does actually seem to be reporting on an issue and not just writing an opinion piece. Wonder if this down to the new DG.

Seeing as a statistically above average number of children presenting at gender clinics are found to be on the spectrum I suspect earlier diagnosis and support for autism is something that would have a tangible effect on the GIC waiting lists.

That was ITV.

Agree with all the other posters on the timing is shocking when you consider the impact COVID has had on cancer treatments. My mum had just started her treatment in February and I’m so glad she did. I can’t imagine how difficult it is for families who are waiting for referrals for this and other treatments.

Best wishes to your mum!

My 9 year old daughter is currently waiting for whole genome sequencing - www.england.nhs.uk/genomics/nhs-genomic-med-service/

It currently takes on average 8 years for children with rare genetic diseases to get a confirmed diagnosis - this black hole even has a name ‘the diagnostic odyssey’ - www.illumina.com/company/news-center/feature-articles/diagnostic-odyssey.html

Absolutely tons of services are overwhelmed, in adults and paediatrics - 2/3 year waits for ASD assessments is typical. Occupational therapy for children over the age of 5 can be double that.

Is Jolyon gonna do the same for all these other issues? Or are autistic kids not fashionable enough?

HPFA

Which particular individuals and organisations are telling parents that their children will commit suicide?

I dont think thats fair. When your child is hugely struggling you end up desperate and if medical professionals are telling you this is the solution then you put your trust in them. It can take a long time to feel confident enough to stand up to the professionals. I have this with my sons SEN. At first we did everything we were told. Not all of us understand medical language even. I still get told things like 'child is maladaptive and needs excessive proprioceptive input' and have to head off and look up each word, then assess if their solution is in any way evidenced. I dont have a degree. I was under social services care and got a job at 17 as a secretary.

Its why its really important those with education and time fight as parents are too exhausted looking after their unhappy child.

The latter description of LGB Alliance as a 'hate group' does seem libellous to me.

If LGB Alliance is a charity or a company, it can sue for libel. If on the other hand, it's just a campaign group that isn't registered anywhere, then it's much harder for it to sue. I assume Maugham knows this and hasn't just lost his mind.

I do find it odd, however, as with so many people on Maugham's side of the debate, how they refuse to recognise any validity in their opponents' arguments at all. How can you not see that there might be concerns about giving powerful, life-changing medication to troubled adolescents?

as an aside, I saw an estimate from a transitioner (admittedly in America) who estimated that the total cost of their treatment was approx. $900,000. (you'd imagine the actual cost of care would be similar to UK regardless of whether an insurance co. pays for it or the NHS)

Multiply that by 4,000 (referrals to the Tavistock?) = $3.6bn.

Approx. £2.7bn for those 4,000 patients. (obviously all rough estimate but possible outcome).

A Market Analysis report was published recently predicting a huge rise in the 'transgender market' - I wonder why they would predict that? If you believed the activists claims of increases in anti-trans activity, you'd think the numbers would be going down?

www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201112005815/en/Gender-Dysphoria-Market-Insight-Epidemiology-and-Market-Forecast-2017-2030---ResearchAndMarkets.com

Can I recommend a book to everyone?

It’s “Mistakes Were Made(But Not by Me)”. It looks at cognitive dissonance and self justification, plus how memory works (and false memories). It doesn’t directly cover this issue, but so much can be applied to understand why people who ought to be rational aren’t on certain issues and when even when provided with facts, tend to double down instead of saying, “Oh, now I understand and I was wrong.”

Very good book which is helping me understand reactions to this issue:

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Not my understanding, unfortunately. AFAIK they have less breast tissue to remove, not none. Also, the rates of patients who have puberty blockers and then go on to cross-sex hormones are incredibly high, 98%+ according to the evidence at Keira Bell's recent JR hearing. After a couple of years of these, female patients are likely to need a hysterectomy, which they wouldn't need otherwise.